MNHQ want money from us

@Daten I notice you haven't changed your name despite being asked very nicely and been given kind instructions when you said you didn't know. I'm not sure that's 'in the spirit' as they say...

Another way they could do it is to offer a 'sponsorship' deal.

They could set up sponsorships at different price points - £5, £10, £25, £50 etc.

You choose how much you want to 'sponsor' ( ie, donate) and for that you get premium membership.

This would allow people to give whatever they feel comfortable to do, and gits rid of the problem Justine mentioned that some might donate too much if it was donations only.

Keeping everyone happy who wish to donate to a crowd fund type fundraiser, and allow mumsnet to claim the xx number of premium members.

Would this work do you think?

Imv people are sounding pretty blase and 'oh, well. If it folds it folds' and assuming its due to bad business sense that they need money now.
But after Covid 19 life may not return to what it was

Having read the orginal thread in site stuff - all covid19 seems to have done is moved the plans to charge forward - possibly before extra functionality is in place that's a bit unclear.

They also don't seem to be planning to change the model after it's over either.

I can't give bank details as they've made it very clear over many years and after many problems security isn't a priority to them.

XX number of subscribers has much more commercial worth

Yes and I think that fits in with it being part of a longer term plan though I do think they've scuppered it with their long standing lax attitude to security.

XX number of subscribers has much more commercial worth than well meaning donations.

Okay, that's interesting.

Is there a way of subscribing, without giving your personal details? It's the question everyone's asking, but as there are no answers, perhaps it's just impossible.

If we started a fundraiser for MN would they refuse to accept any money raised?

No, because the MRAs/TRAs would be screaming blue murder that Mumsnet were accepting bribes from the GC feminists.

If we started a fundraiser for MN would they refuse to accept any money raised?

eg: M&s is offering the first lucky 100 mumsnet subscribers 20% off their new spring range ...the theory being that mumsnet will drive traffic to M&S ( ok, unlikely to be M&S but you get the point) making it worthwhile for businesses to promote on mumsnet.

XX number of subscribers has much more commercial worth than well meaning donations.

They don't want donations because it looks like charity.

They want subscriber numbers which can then be punted to advertisers.

I would donate to a crowd funder.

I would much rather donate to a crowdfunder than create a two-tier system tbh. A lot of people want to donate rather than subscribe - hopefully this option will be made available.

I don’t understand why MN isn’t giving us the option of a crowdfunder.

They are not getting my bank details, I don’t want any staff member to have access to those details, because it has been shown that not everyone at MNTowers can be trusted, and when there is a breakdown in trust little is done about it.

I am prepared to support MN financially, rather than see it disappear. I’m not interested in doing it in order to get rid of ads. I don’t like the idea of a two tier system.

Emma soon dusted herself down because she’s got a great job now. 🙄
I won’t be giving Mumsnet my bank details because they have consistently proven they don’t take data security seriously.

The fact that Emma was upset

Diddums.

I just read HQ’s comments on the Site Stuff board and ... yikes. Not good. Really minimising the seriousness of Emma publishing a user’s ISP.

I cannot overstate how concerning that is. People have been killed (accidentally) in swatting attempts gone wrong.

The fact that Emma was upset and soon deleted the post is... irrelevant. A screenshot lives for ever. Wow.

Agree with GCA, I’m brown and a fan of FWR. We’re not a monolith.

I think many of us can afford it and would miss it. What I can't afford, given the particular nature of the "activists" on the other side of this debate, is to give my details to a business with such a lax attitude to keeping users' personal details secure.

Covid 19 hasnt' ended. Imv people are sounding pretty blase and 'oh, well. If it folds it folds' and assuming its due to bad business sense that they need money now.
But after Covid 19 life may not return to what it was. Say 50% of businesses may have collapsed. The ones who take their places will possibly the ones who move fastest, the chancers with investment from outside the Uk, China maybe. Or the big US firms with billions behind them, some of whom don't pay their taxes here. I can easily see a new Fb Mn.
Anyway, I've paid, I can afford it. I would definitely miss it.

Which is why as a bi BAME feminist I avoid

Several of us on here are BAME. There are lots of GC feminists who are. This assumption that we must think as a monolith because of our skin colour is really tedious.

Crushing my childhood faith in infomercials there, Bewilderness.

@LilacTree1 Me too.

A Clapper is what you are thinking of perhaps? Unfortunately the reality did not live up to the expectations.
They mostly didn't work.

Or a Harry Potter deluminator?

Ooh a deluminator would be cool
Turns out the lights but -
also has the added bonus of if you click it back on if you think you've had enough and walk away as it's all too toxic and blah (RAB's necklace and all that) you can just rejoin and find people again.
Kind of relevant lol
Nice one

I do cringe at the begging bowl model of business though.

A straightforward “sign up for better features” would not have made me cringe.

I’ve just seen a pop up saying “Mumsnet needs your help”.

They didn’t help us.....or Lang...or women....made me wince a bit.

I haven't seen one since the 80s maybe but you clapped your hands and the lights turned on or off.