The author of Labour's trans pledge tweets 'BYE BYE HONEY!' at Boris Johnson

I agree Royal. I am not in the UK, but I can't believe this is happening. This bloody virus. It's just awful.

Oh, indeed, BovaryX. The fact that Nandy, Rayner et al signed that pledge shows at best very questionable political judgement and at worst a willingness to ally themselves with people who are morally bankrupt.

Then again, I've just seen someone on FB saying she hoped Boris Johnson had shaken hands with Corbyn recently

Yes. There are alot of nasty people around. But most of them are not dictating pledges to and demanding policy capitulation from an allegedly serious political party. If this were a Conservative aligned tweeter, the media outrage would be sustained and relentless. Heads would roll and this person's political activist career would be in the gutter. But as it is? There will be zero upshot.

Glad I never ever voted Labour! Rather vote for Monster Loony Party!!

(Whereas those around him do but care nothing for women)

I think they know. I think that they don't care. It used to break my heart as a long time Labour voter (Blair years) but now I just look on with amazement and sadness.

Starmer needs to sort this out but Nandy and RLB in the Shadow cabinet does not fill me with hope tbh. I don't think he sees the problem at all.

Glad I never ever voted Labour! Rather vote for Monster Loony Party!!

Horseradish

This is the organisation behind the pledge signed by Nandy etc. This person is a founder member.

https://twitter.com/Labour_Trans

If Jeremy Corbyn had won in December and some Conservative aligned pledge generating 'activist' had tweeted this in response to him being seriously ill in ICU?

Then again, I've just seen someone on FB saying she hoped Boris Johnson had shaken hands with Corbyn recently. I also saw an old tweet from Julia Hartley-Brewer gloating about the death of Castro.

It just seems that there are a lot of nasty people about. I do find it slightly surprising that people want to advertise their nastiness on social media, though. It might be more politically expedient to at least pretend to be a nice person.

Just about what I’d expect from the “women - be kind” brigade. Foul individual

We have to accept people are who they say they are...

In this case, the Exotic Flotsam has just shown who they are.

How can such poisonous, narcissistic individuals be influencing Labour policy. How can Labour not see the tossers they have aligned themselves with?

I'm going to have to change my name. I can't be associated with this shit (see also drag person reading to children in Scotland) Mine is Orkney-based and nothing whatsoever to do with periods

Because they were all so determined to be “on the right side of history” that they didn’t stop and do any due diligence into who they were dealing with and why. Because they’re fucking stupid.

Yy to this, NotBadConsidering. And their willingness to swallow an absurd, irrational, bigoted ideology wholesale without applying the tiniest shred of critical thinking - here’s a quote from Nandy in February:

we have to accept that people are who they say they are. I’ve never believed that politicians or even me as an individual should interfere or dictate to people who they are. *

I am so nonplussed at this statement, I struggle to even start to unpick it (a familiar reaction to TRA ideology). We have to accept people are who they say they are? Why? Says who? When and why was that deemed morally necessary?

If I say I’m a doctor or an airline pilot against the facts of material reality, do you have to believe I am? How is it “interfering” or “dictating” to tell me that unless I have the requisite medical training or pilot’s licence, then actually no, I’m neither of those things? This passing off of completely illogical absurdities as commonplace, accepted truths is off the hallmarks of transactivism.

The fact that Nandy has been so very willing to embrace it suggests to me that she is indeed really fucking stupid and in no way fit to hold a senior position in the shadow cabinet. Anyone who exercises so little judgement in who they allow to influence them is a complete liability.

I am sincerely hoping that Johnson makes a full and swift recovery.

*Quote taken from Guardian interview with Nandy, illuminating in itself
www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/23/lisa-nandy-wording-trans-rights-pledge-labour-leadership

And it is crass to preface any good wishes towards him with 'I hate the man but...' as I have seen all over MN in the past 24 hours.

Why is it crass? Do you want people to pretend to like him just because he's sick?

It is crass. Totally crass and comes from a very bad place. Politics is a matter of opinion and the lefty approach to Boris on here shows this underlying arrogance that people cannot have different opinions. I like many people who have different opinions to me; someone I like likes Donald Trump and that is fine, I understand why they do. It is their opinion and makes up a very small part of who they are. It is crass and crude, and I would go so far as to say, uneducated, to dislike someone purely based on a difference of opinion.

What is important in all of these matters is intentions. And I think you would be hard pressed to find any politician of any party whose intentions were not to create a better country - HOW they think they can do that is where the difference in opinion lies. And let's face it, none of us really know!

If Jeremy Corbyn had won in December and some Conservative aligned pledge generating 'activist' had tweeted this in response to him being seriously ill in ICU? Imagine the response of Owen Jones, the Guardian, the outrage would be audible from Mars....

Quite.

Binterested

The Twitter poster or the pandering Labour politicians? Your post could apply to both equally.

This kind of thing confirms my theory that some trans activists live in such a bubble that they start to believe that only other trans people have real feelings.

To say that I am not a fan of Boris Johnson is an understatement

However I would not wish Covid-19 on my worst enemy and, like any reasonable person I genuinely hope that Boris recovers ASAP

His pregnant partner must be going through extreme anxiety and I hope that Starmer steps up the the plate and deals with the disgusting, misogynist, hateful, spiteful people that his party has been endorsing of late

Regardless of whether this person was behind the pledge, as the 'comms officer' for any faction aligning themselves with the Labour Party the party should be distancing themselves from this individual

If Jeremy Corbyn had won in December and some Conservative aligned pledge generating 'activist' had tweeted this in response to him being seriously ill in ICU? Imagine the response of Owen Jones, the Guardian, the outrage would be audible from Mars....

Honestly I think they are just thick narcissists. No awareness of a life or a world beyond their own ego. Hence obsession with identity and trying to control what other people say and think about them.

No sense that Boris is a real person. That women are real people. That anyone else beyond their own glittery self is a real person.

It’s very toddler-like. Most children reach an awareness of the existence of other minds and other perspectives at around 4 or 5. This person is in a state of toddler narcissism several decades past its usual eradication in normally maturing individuals.

The real question is why grown adults in serious positions of power have pandered to this behaviour.

Regardless of whether this person was behind the pledge, as the 'comms officer' for any faction aligning themselves with the Labour Party the party should be distancing themselves from this individual.

If women are losing their jobs for calmly pointing out biological facts, this individual is hardly being seen to uphold any value that the Labour Party want to convey..... unless they don't a) care about how the party is perceived (.... oh! Wait! ) or b) don't think this group is actually all that influential after the constant push back on Nandy and co which they felt they could not step back from.

I wish Boris Johnson a speedy and happy recovery just as I do anyone else in his situation. No more, no less.

Just evil

I must admit, DuLang, that I had a little fantasy about Boris realising how important the NHS is and vowing to give it all the money it needs and not to sell any of it off to the private sector. However, it seems, as you say, that if he does recover (and let's hope he does), his health will be severely affected and he might not be well enough to continue as PM.