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Feminism and mothers of sons

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DangerCat01 · 06/04/2020 12:45

Hi everyone,
I’ve been having a touch time and it’s making me wonder whether feminism or equality will never be possible because women give birth to boys whom they obviously love and these boys become men.
I’m the mother of one daughter whom I adore and would give my life to so presumably mothers of sons feel the same?

In the last month I’ve lost a big groups of friends and been dismissed from the Women’s Network at work for being a ‘terf’ and I’m wondering if the fight is worth it. Everyone seems so against me. Even my own mother and my sister seem to worship their sons more than their daughters. It’s weird. And creepy. I feel so sad and confused.

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Makeitgoaway · 06/04/2020 13:03

I love my adult sons. They've been taught to treat people women well, to do their share at home, to respect the ability and right of women to do any job they chose, as demonstrated by their mother and father.

I also share their occasion frustrations at being painted with the same brush as less decent men.

If that makes me a poor feminist I'm sorry (not sorry).

User202004 · 06/04/2020 13:03

What you're saying makes no sense. I am gender critical, I don't believe in self-ID and I have sons, what does the sex of our children have to do with what we can believe in the trans debate?

Kit19 · 06/04/2020 13:01

so sorry you're feeling so down DangerCat Im not a mother so cant comment on that but it's horrible losing friends and colleagues over the TRA issue. I do honestly think that the virus will change a lot of attitudes - people are going to be a lot less tolerant of the "meee me me meeee" and huffing about "literal violence" when someone doesnt use their preferred pronouns in a world where tends of thousands have died and millions more have less jobs/savings/their homes

DangerCat01 · 06/04/2020 13:01

Yes ok let me try and break it down.

I think I’m really struggling with this lockdown. I’m still working in the NHS thank god, but I recently got asked to leave the Women’s Network at work for not agreeing that ‘anyone who says they are a woman is a woman’. I received a huge amount of vitriol and outrage for this opinion from other women/colleagues.
I have also lost a group of female friends because apparently I support hate crimes and I am a terf.

I don’t understand why and wondered if it is because they have sons.

I do love the men in my life but not in that fierce maternal way.

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ISaySteadyOn · 06/04/2020 12:59

I have a son and daughters. I love them all but I don't worship any of them. And I am simply trying to bring my son up to be a good and capable man. I think trying to raise our sons to be good and capable men is pretty feminist, isn't it?

Prawnofthepatriarchy · 06/04/2020 12:58

I have two sons and they grew up with my feminist values. Boys brought up in a family with a SAHF and a career mum, as mine did, are unlikely to be sexist, plus my relationship with their DF was loving, respectful and equal.

Surely feminists will raise sons who see the world through a feminist lens? My own experience is that they may get peer pressure from boys with a very different perspective but that it has limited influence.

FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 12:58

I’m just musing that because I’ve never had the experience of having a son and feeling that maternal love towards a male, I’m wasting my time being an activate feminist. It’s causing me a lot of greif and anger from other women.

Why would a feminist need to have a son to not be wasting her time?

Mintjulia · 06/04/2020 12:57

I love my child. The fact he is a boy is irrelevant. And I don't worship him, he can be an obstinate little sod on occasion.

I am careful to teach him exactly the same as I would a girl. He knows very well that he has to pull his weight and that is gradually increasing as he gets older. I am determined to raise a kind, responsible and decent man.

Surely my actions work towards equality for all. Not against.

DangerCat01 · 06/04/2020 12:56

I used to be a member about 10 years ago when my DD was a teen. Not been here for ages though and just lurk now and again. Particularly on the feminist board and the whole trans debacle.

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FloralBunting · 06/04/2020 12:55

Perhaps you'd like to clarify what you mean. There's a lot going on in your OP and I don't know what to respond to.

DangerCat01 · 06/04/2020 12:54

Yes you’re right I’ve articulated my point very poorly.

Of course I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t love your sons? How on earth did you get that?

I’m just musing that because I’ve never had the experience of having a son and feeling that maternal love towards a male, I’m wasting my time being an activate feminist. It’s causing me a lot of greif and anger from other women.

Apologies, English is not my first language. I come from a Mediterranean country and we do tend to use phrases like adore and worship when talking about the love we feel for our children.

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HorseRadishFemish · 06/04/2020 12:54

Hi DangerCat01 and welcome to Mumsnet.

You are a lot braver than me as your posting history shows that you have literally been here for ten minutes and yet here you are starting off threads like an old hand.

I've been here over a year now and haven't dared start a thread!

Good for you!

GrumpyHoonMain · 06/04/2020 12:52

In my experience it’s the mothers of daughters who are least feminist and more likely to propagate outdated stereotypes or get angry when the girls don’t live up to some kind of feminine ideal. The mothers of sons just get on with things and most of them have raised lovely boys / men.

Crackerofdoom · 06/04/2020 12:51

Being a feminist doesn't mean loving men any less.

I have a son and daughters and am ensuring that they all understand what it is to be a feminist and why it is important.

And I definitely don't worship my children

ChandlerIsTheBestFriend · 06/04/2020 12:48

I’m not sure what you’re asking.

popehilarious · 06/04/2020 12:48

Sorry, I'm not sure of your logic - why do boys being born to women mean feminism is impossible?
I find the concept of "worshipping" your children bizarre tbh!

Battysace123 · 06/04/2020 12:48

I'm a mother to two boys and do not want anymore children. Are you suggesting that I shouldn't love my sons? By the way I love my boys a trillion times over 😀

DangerCat01 · 06/04/2020 12:45

Tough time ffs!

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