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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:58

All those times Sam was teetering along in heels and wearing slap and we were meant to think it was funny.

Ooh, I know! I’m sure Mr Bakula wouldn’t go along with that now. He strikes me as having (white) male saviour complex, actually. Has anyone else ever had that feeling? Based off his relationships with female co-stars on NCIS NO?

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 16:57

I love it here. I've just clicked who ladyQ was! Erm..welcome back!

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:56

How do you know it's not Sam Becket?

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:55

And the funny thing is that Scott Bakula now plays Dwayne Pride in NCIS New Orleans.

It’s almost as if dressing up in a set of clothes and being called another name doesn’t actually make you, literally, another person.

Who knew?!

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 16:55

Have I missed anything?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:55

Mind you, QL was a bit transphobic if you think about it. All those times Sam was teetering along in heels and wearing slap and we were meant to think it was funny.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:52

I use guilty in a Pomo sort of way, obvs, Tinsel

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:52

Liz Taylor? Oh no that was National Velvet.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:51

Quantum Leap was one of my guilty pleasures, back in the day.

Well, I'd like to pretend otherwise myself, but given my last couple of posts, I think my credibility would be in tatters. Quantum Leap. Basically Doctor Who for really sentimental and right on Americans. And me at 15.

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 16:51

The guy out of blue velvet.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:51

No need to feel guilty about Quantum Leap, it was ace.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:50

florabunting oh good I like basil fawlty

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:49

Quantum Leap was one of my guilty pleasures, back in the day.

PositiveVibez · 05/04/2020 16:49

Course you can be trapped in the wrong body- happened to Dr Sam Beckett on a weekly basis

😂😂

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:49

Dr A Women woke to find themselves facing mirror images that were not their own, striving to put right things that weren't a problem.to begin with, and hoping that the next leap would be the ultimate validation...

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:47

Irony oh yes I remember that

That was very Basil Fawlty, OP.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 16:47

Course you can be trapped in the wrong body- happened to Dr Sam Beckett on a weekly basis.

Oh, boy!

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:45

Irony oh yes I remember that

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:45

Theorizing that someone could travel through sex, Dr A Women stepped into the Quantum Gender Accelerator... and vanished.

TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:45

Oops. That was to Delirium

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:44

datun no I have never had a miscarriage of been pregnant

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TalkingtoLangClegintheDark · 05/04/2020 16:44

Grin Grin

PositiveVibez · 05/04/2020 16:44

OP, you aren't coming across well at all here.

You sound unhinged, nonsensical and incoherent.

You have not come here for a debate.

The responses are all very salient. Non name calling, no rudeness - well, apart from you.

You have quoted you 'wise' friend twice now who so sagely stated that you cannot educate someone who has a closed mind.

Can you not see the irony here. At all????

Deliriumoftheendless · 05/04/2020 16:43

Course you can be trapped in the wrong body- happened to Dr Sam Beckett on a weekly basis.

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