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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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TorchesTorches · 05/04/2020 11:16

To me modern feminism is the phrase 'women matter as much as men.'

PositiveVibez · 05/04/2020 11:13

it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide

Can you please link to stats (not from the Mermaids website please)

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 11:12

personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this

So which is it?

And in answer to your question, what Gronky said.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 11:10

It did didn't it TinselAngel

OneEpisode · 05/04/2020 11:08

Completely fact free OP. The evidence is very clear that mixed see changing rooms (with individual stalls) increase the rates of sexual assaults on women and children.
And that 70% “because of the prejudice they face” has been disproved so many times.

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 11:02

That escalated quickly.

lol (I'm thirteen)

HorseRadishFemish · 05/04/2020 11:01

What constitutes modern day feminism?

Liberation from modern day men. (Whatever clothes they are wearing.)

SureSureSure · 05/04/2020 11:00

Disingenuous post.

You’re not asking ‘what constitutes feminism?’, you’re telling gender critical feminists that they’re doing feminism wrong because they don’t believe that TWAW.

Gronky · 05/04/2020 10:57

I think it's impossible to give a reasonable answer to the initial question because it's many things to many people. The only broad definition I would hazard to advance is that feminism seeks to improve the lives of women. Beyond that, I believe you'd get broad differences in both what constitutes an improvement, which improvements are most significant and, when it comes to commonalities on an improvement, what the best way is to achieve it.

In short, I feel that asking 'what constitutes feminism?' is akin to asking 'what constitutes religion?'.

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 10:52

Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up.

That escalated quickly.

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