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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 13:56

Really and where are your statistics that prove this or am I just to take it as given because the mums net community says it so as for the stats around lgbt youth suicide and self harm this are facts in our charity along 80% of our young people have admitted self harm

They aren't 'your' young people.
Has 'your charity' provided you with training/evidence-based knowledge about child & adolescent mental / emotional health?
Are you aware of the other factors which might be present in high reporting of self-harm behaviour/s?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 13:55

So trans women aren’t women

Well done OP you got there in the end!

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/04/2020 13:54

I'm reminded of Bunbury's wise saying 'you can't educate pork'.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:54

Neither do a lot of trans women my colleagues who have transition don’t have male genitals

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SipChampagneLikeWeThirstay · 05/04/2020 13:54

I’m not hiding behind anything.

I don’t believe you can change sex.

If you wanted to come on and shout ‘you’re all evil terfs!’ you could have saved yourself all that typing out of disingenuous questions, honestly.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:54

A teacher's pet? I don't doubt it.

ScapaFlo · 05/04/2020 13:53

Have you ever heard of full stops or ever seen them used in all this research you have(n't) done?

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:53

I am a teacher pet

Unable to compose the most basic of sentences and use even the most basic of grammar? Nah.

Vaginandtonic · 05/04/2020 13:53

So trans women aren’t women thus proving my point that certain people use feminism as a guise for transphobia trans women or no less of a women that I am

Wuh?!

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:52

No, TW are not women.

Feminism is about women.

Fin.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 13:52

I wouldn't normally comment on grammar but I honestly have no idea what this means:
trans women or no less of a women that I am
Could you clarify?

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:52

Biology and transphobia aren’t synonymous.

You aren’t showing huge levels of intellect OP, but do at least try.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:52

I am a teacher pet

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:51

So trans women aren’t women thus proving my point that certain people use feminism as a guise for transphobia trans women or no less of a women that I am

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:50

OP has no interest in engaging. Quite evidently.

Just once, it would be so good to have a conversation about what it means to be a feminist in the modern age without endless naysaying and bullshit about everything pushing out anything useful to women and their rights.

Why is this too much to ask on a feminist focused message board?

Fromage · 05/04/2020 13:50

Is that not another word for that extreme feminist who excludes trans people

What? What word?

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 05/04/2020 13:48

There are some trans people who are committed sexual crimes there are many straight people that have there are Christians and Catholic’s and Muslims that have my point is there is good and bad in all sections of society that doesn’t mean we should tar everyone with the same brush

I don't think that any of us are disputing that.

which is exactly what the extreme feminists do agasint the trans community

No, they don't!

Fromage · 05/04/2020 13:48

Define what a women is then

You were asked that first, I think.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/04/2020 13:47

Feminism concerns itself with women, OP, and it always has done. Including transmen.

Seventyone72seventy3 · 05/04/2020 13:47

Somehow I don't think the OP is actually going to give us any statistics or answers to questions. It's just going to be vague notions of feeling...wrong body...etc etc. OP I'll try once again. WHY do you think it is possible to change sex? This is a really new idea. It is not backed up by scientific evidence so I would love to know why you think it is possible.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 13:46

Is that not another word for that extreme feminist who excludes trans people

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wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 05/04/2020 13:46

Another lecture about how we're feministing wrong. Yawn.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 13:45

Define what a women is then

You first.

PS- it's easy. A woman is a human female.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 13:45

Going to repeat this in various forms a lot because it really, really is important -

Feminism's focus is women and their rights and protections. Trans-anything is not relevant or central to our concerns in any way

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 13:44

An adult human female of the class that typically can bear offspring.

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