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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:53

I don’t really know how to define feminism

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BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:52

I’m a gay women

Do you self identify as plural?

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 14:52

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion

You'll actually find this board far more tolerant and liberal than most trans rights boards.

People who identify as trans already have equal civil and legal rights......what is wanted is 'additional' rights...and some of those additional rights conflict with the rights of women as a distinct group. this is the job of politics to deal with conflicts of interest - not to deny that there is a conflict of interest.

My advice would be for you to campaign for third spaces.. that way everyone can have their needs for dignity, privacy and safety met.

Trans identified people comprise a wide range of people......and they do not all share the same characteristics. We have young women ( most often lesbians) identifying as male; they have nothing in common with older AGP men....heterosexual & who have been cross dressing most of their lives; or even necessarily with homosexual trans women.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:52

The same way u are if u are

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koshkatt · 05/04/2020 14:52

Nice story bro. Grin

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 14:52

Katie I thought you came here to discuss modern day feminism. So far you have not discussed anything to do with feminism. I mean you've shared a lot more than is necessary and healthy about your colleagues, charges and young family members. You've shared some pretty contratictory facts abut yourself, but you've not discussed feminism.

So what's that all about?

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 14:52

I'm quite enjoying the performance art nature of the random unspecific responses. It's mildly diverting scrolling back to work out who AliasBespin might be responding to.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 05/04/2020 14:51

How did they get the OP so literate?

Helmetbymidnight · 05/04/2020 14:51

how do you know youre not a bloke?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:51

I’m not a bloke unless of cause u think gay women are blokes

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Helmetbymidnight · 05/04/2020 14:50

in what way are you a woman op?

R0wantrees · 05/04/2020 14:50

You the twisted fuck obsessed with what is between peoples legs

Hmm

False allegations can often be best understood as admissions/ projections within certain specific dynamics.

BovaryX · 05/04/2020 14:50

And voila! The mask is off

Wink. Another dramatic unveiling which exposes the rage beneath....

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:50

I can an a star in my English gcse mind u that was years ago not sure I would now

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koshkatt · 05/04/2020 14:49

Another angry chap having a pop at disobedient women. Hmm

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 14:49

Although, it does read as though AliasBespin has been on the gin. I won't judge, these are strange times for us all.

scotsheather · 05/04/2020 14:49

You the twisted fuck obsessed with what is between peoples legs

whoa thats the quickest escalation from your carefully couched, look like middle of the road, listen up ladies and do it my post I've seen. Have you other lockdown pastimes to do?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:48

Sadly your wrong pet I’m a gay women and I don’t feel I was born into the wrong body and as such don’t identify as transgendered

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koshkatt · 05/04/2020 14:48

You the twisted fuck obsessed with what is between peoples legs

And voila! The mask is off.

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 14:48

No one should be holding their breath. Even though AliasBespin is clearly not taking a breath given the lack of punctuation.

Everyone, I recommend breathing. It's highly beneficial.

1Micem0use · 05/04/2020 14:47

Otherwise a fantastic post though OP

I0NA · 05/04/2020 14:47

Here’s some useful tips on writing a persuasive essay for your GCSE ( sorry too difficult to bold it all, but it’s all a quote )

www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zx7cmnb/revision/2

Persuasive techniques and examples of how they can be used:

Techniques and Examples

Flattery - complimenting your audience. A person of your intelligence deserves much better than this.

Opinion - a personal viewpoint often presented as if fact. In my view, this is the best thing to have ever happened.

Hyperbole - exaggerated language used for effect. It is simply out of this world – stunning!

Personal pronouns - ‘I’, ‘you’ and ‘we’. You are the key to this entire idea succeeding - we will be with you all the way. I can’t thank you enough!

Imperative command - instructional language. Get on board and join us!

Triples - three points to support an argument. Safer streets means comfort, reassurance and peace of mind for you, your family and your friends.

Emotive language - vocabulary to make the audience/reader feel a particular emotion. There are thousands of animals at the mercy of our selfishness and disregard for kindness.

Statistics and figures - factual data used in a persuasive way. 80% of people agreed that this would change their community for the better.

Rhetorical question - a question which implies its own answer. Who doesn’t want success?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 14:47

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scotsheather · 05/04/2020 14:46

I think OP self identifies as a TRA but I hope material fact gets the better of him.

RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 14:46

I wonder if just for once we'll get an intelligent answer to this question:

What human rights do transwomen NOT have?

Would also be great if we could also get an equally intelligent thought out response to the how are transwomen women? question.

Judging on the OP's responses so far I won't hold my breath.

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