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What constitutes modern day feminism

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 10:45

What does it mean to be a feminist in the 21st century? When I and indeed the members of my family who I would consider to be feminist were growing up it was about fighting for equal rights for women such as equal pay and better representation of women in high powered jobs and given that the Labour Party has yet again elected a male leader says to me that there is still along way to go. However I and my family members find ourselves becoming more and more uncomfortable with what some might call the more extreme side of feminism.

I fear that certain views of feminism are allowing a rather unhealthy and quite hateful form especially in relation to trans rights. As a member of the lgbt community and although I’m not trans myself I do have friends who are and I also volunteer for a local charity who support and offer counselling to trans teenagers. I see first hand the damage done by the attitudes promoted and supported by some sections of the feminist community dressed up under the guise of ‘free speech’. The trans right issue is a complex one. I don’t think children should be allowed to transition or be given hormone blockers to prevent puberty because I’m not convinced a child has the maturity to make those kind of life changing decisions although that doesn’t mean I don’t believe that children can’t be trans because I see it everyday through my work with the charity and it’s a fact of great shame that at least 70% of young trans have self harmed or tried to commit suicide because of the prejudice they face.

The biggest contentious issue appears to be that of self indentification. I fail to see how it erodes my rights as a women if a trans person chooses to self identify and personally I find the notion that people chose to self identify because they want to harm others somewhat far fetched. Yes I accept that there are some sick indivuals that do this but the fact is the majority of sex offenders offend as men not men who are self identifying as female or the other wan around. I remember mixed sex changing rooms when I was growing up and I don’t remember a vast increase in sexual assay because of it.

Now despite being accused of it on here several times by people who hide behind the guise of feminism to attack anyone who dares to defend trans rights as someone who condones sexual assault I do not in fact as a surviour of sexual assault I find that extremely offensive. Anyone trans or otherwise who commits any kind of sexual assault deserves to be castrated and strung up. Maybe one way around the shared changing room or toilet issue would be to have single cubicles or toilets as we do at our charity so it doesn’t matter who uses them because there’s only u on there. As a parent and someone who works with children who have been absued I can totally understand the argument for parents wanting to know who the child is sharing a changing room with. Personally I wouldn’t allow my son or my nieces who I regularly look after our without a grown up until they were of teenager age and then allow in groups of friends.

I’ve no doubt that this post will either be ignored or removed as mums net seems to remove anything that resembles some who supports the rights of trans people but just as the people who use feminism to try and erode or stand Agasint trans rights I to have the right to express my opinion.

The debate of feminism and trans issues needs to be less toxic and more about open discussion and tolerance of others opinions will allowing healthy debate because trans people are people and have the same right to be heard and to be given the same freedoms as any other member of society. Do I think that all feminists are transphobic absolutely not and neither do I believe that all of the trans community min are good people. There’s good and bad in everyone and every group of society but since when is that a justification for the discrimination of a whole part of society

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:08

If u say so cock

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katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:07

Now that is disgusting and whoever is doing that should be bloody ashamed of themselves

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MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 16:04

I wasn't disputing that, apologies, bad wording from me

Gosh no apology needed at all Smile I just wanted to expand a little as to why the sessions would have been important.

I0NA · 05/04/2020 16:04

That sounds like an interesting charity Op, can you link to it please ?

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:04

No it’s a theme I have come across in the various lgbt plus parents group I belong to I have no idea if it’s a thing or not

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RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 16:03

MarieQueenofScots I wasn't disputing that, apologies, bad wording from me.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:03

Properly bloody predictive text

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 16:03

I've seen the same happen with women's groups on Facebook, notably one to discuss PTSD caused by sexual abuse, which the TRA and their handmaidens posted screenshots from in other places.

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 16:03

And if u had read my post probably neither I nor anyone involved with this charity advocate medicating children or encouraging them to transition we just have a policy of letting the young people indentify as they wish and before anyone is allowed to transition on the nhs there have to go through vigorous psychological assessment to ensure there are no underling issues in fact a friend of mine had their request for gender reassignment denied Because they were deemed to have underlying trauma relating to sexual abuse and was told that she would not be allowed to have the surgery until she had undergone intensive therapy to deal with those issues

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FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 16:03

Whatever u say dude - katienlisa552

Just random quoting random phrases by the OP, don't mind me.

I0NA · 05/04/2020 16:01

Is that why there are a lot of children who are diagnosed with asd who have gender issues

Are you saying that lots of the ‘ trans ‘ children you work with also have a diagnosis of ASD? As well as lots more who sexually abused and mentally ill ?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/04/2020 16:00

Well quite. And yet we received hateful messages about excluding transwomen to the point where we decided we simply couldn’t go ahead because we felt at risk.

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RedDogsBeg · 05/04/2020 16:00

No I came on here for civilised debate something that is clearly lacking in the mums net community I was warned but like a challenge

No you didn't, you have offered nothing in the way of debate, you can't/won't answer or address any of the questions and points put to you, you can't/won't back up any of your assertions, you just throw out meaningless one liners - that is not debate, not even close, so don't start dismissing MN FWR as being unable to engage in civilised debate when it is you who cannot.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 15:59

Definitely no safeguarding training Justhadathought

TinselAngel · 05/04/2020 15:59

It really shows the misogynistic view that trans activists have of women, that a poster like this expects to turn up here and automatically outsmart us all.

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 15:59

Well it certainly wouldn’t of offended me my sister had had several miscarriages and my sister in law suffered one two years ago I wouldn’t of joined a group like that I’m not sure why u would if u hadn’t suffered a miscarriage

Well quite. And yet we received hateful messages about excluding transwomen to the point where we decided we simply couldn’t go ahead because we felt at risk.

So much for this all encompassing sisterhood of women, huh?

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 15:58

Oh I wasn't the only one to spot that then Grin

Week 2 into lock down, I wonder what week 3 will offer?

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:57

Yes we have specialised and highly trained youth workers and counsellors

What sort of training, I wonder? Only positive affirmation? Certainly not the type of training or approach that is normal in psycho-therapies.

BovaryX · 05/04/2020 15:57

Hmm, so far
So far your antics are like watching a mouse trying to bait a leopard.......

katienlisa552 · 05/04/2020 15:57

Well it certainly wouldn’t of offended me my sister had had several miscarriages and my sister in law suffered one two years ago I wouldn’t of joined a group like that I’m not sure why u would if u hadn’t suffered a miscarriage

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MrsDoylesTeaBags · 05/04/2020 15:57

Ereshkigalangcleg Yep

FloralBunting · 05/04/2020 15:57

First rule of TRA club: keep your story straight.🤣😂🤣😂🤣

MarieQueenofScots · 05/04/2020 15:56

RedDogsBeg

Of course miscarriage effects aren’t just physical.

The sessions were part of a wider course of sessions; these particularly address long-term physical effects and damage at the request of women on the course. They were female only sessions, again at the request of the majority of the group.

I0NA · 05/04/2020 15:55

The bit I don’t understand, @katienlisa552 is this.

You say that a lot of the children you work with have been sexually abused, and 70% or 80% of them are mentally ill ( self hating or suicidal ).

So why do you think the best treatment for them is to give them dangerous puberty blocking drugs as children? Then wait until they are adults ( or their 16th birthday ), mutilate their bodies, castrate and sterilise them so they need to take cross sex hormones for life.

Don’t you think it would be better to get them counselling and therapy to deal with their abuse and dysphoria ? So they can grow up happy and healthy adults who may or may not be GNC or gay / lesbian. And who can have adult sexual relationships and children if they wish.

Justhadathought · 05/04/2020 15:55

I would say too things trans women can’t understand the physical affects of miscarriage but then neither can I I can never have kids but does this make me less of a women I thing it was wrong that u had to shut down the group

You said you had a five year old child, before?

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