Keir Starmer wins Labour leadership

I called Rayner a credulous ideologue on another thread and was asked if I cared to elaborate...

The webchat should not be forgotten;
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Angela Rayner I find it very unpleasant that some of my sisters are often questioned on their gender, the very thing that many women can take for granted. It is also offensive that my feminism is questioned because I stand for ALL women’s rights including my trans sisters

Utter twit.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

What is up with this ‘folk’ thing? It’s so toe-curlingly... folksy.

And I'd hazard a guess that the measly 10% of the vote that Dawn Butler received in the deputy leadership contest

What? A whole 10%?! Jesus.

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

I think it says a lot about how you regard politics that you think feminists would rather have anyone from their identity group in power, even if they pursue policies against women's interest.

It's bad that there has never been a female labour leader, but having the best person is the most important criteria. Perfectly possible to have both, which makes it a crying shame there were no credible women up for election.

Just noticed there's a piece in the Times today about women who may rise under the new leadership.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labours-women-will-rise-again-under-sir-keir-pw03x3qkz?shareToken=d40aa59b8654e6623b031921af8c85a1

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

I don't hate trans people. I don't hate men either. I don't hate anyone.
What I don't want is a labour leader who promotes hate and bigotry, like someone who will sign a pledge that demonises women without even reading it.
That's why I voted Keir and why I'm pleased he won.

This is good news. Starmer was pretty shit in the campaign, parroting the trans rights are human rights line, but I doubt he actually believes it. His first job will be to get rid of the Corbynites and anti-Semites. Hopefully then he'll be in a stronger position to drop all the stuff about GRA reform.

The fact that Nandy got such a tiny portion of the final vote suggests that Labour Party members were unimpressed by her passionate commitment to putting men convicted of raping children into women's prisons.

And I'd hazard a guess that the measly 10% of the vote that Dawn Butler received in the deputy leadership contest was at least partly down to her various nonsensical beliefs about gender, such as the majority of male giraffes being homosexual.

Has he identified himself as a man though?!

Try harder Walk

It's the politics, go look at how appallingly trans people are treated by this political lobby when they dare say their needs and feelings aren't met by the orthodoxy. Recent example on MN: the 'ally' was far more vicious to the trans poster than I'd ever seen to GC women.

Are you ok with that? Because I'm not.

Men aren't automatically bad
Women aren't automatically good
Black and white rigid thinking generally not a great idea

What is a man?

I find it bizarre that you lot hate trans folk so much you'd rather a man lead the party.

Hopefully the grownups will regain ground in the Labour Party now - I've never been a supporter or voter but we need a sensible opposition party, especially in these times.

Identity politics is a compete and utter privileged irrelevance.

I'm pretty pleased with that. I think Momentum are on their way out, along with their crazy and deeply offensive policies. Keir is far too nuanced and clever a politician to publicise the fact, but I think we're about to see a big shift back towards common sense and basic truth and decency within Labour. About time, too.

there have been more women killed in Britain since lockdown, than trans people killed in the last decade

Wow when you put it like that.

Best result based on the options but we'll have to wait and see. I used to like and respect KS but the recent gender debates have certainly changed my view of him.

He is the least awful, but I thought he was such a weasel on the mumsnet web chat. Also all the guff about how terribly persecuted trans people are, when there have been more women killed in Britain since lockdown, than trans people killed in the last decade.

Raynor is thick as mince.

Sorry, my last comment wasn’t meant to be a slur on Labour Party members per se . Just a reference to the growing number of people who seem to feed off hating others. It’s not confined to the Labour Party!

KS was very aware of the current situation

So he bloody should be but let’s see if he will actually do anything about it. Suspect that if he really weeded out the actively hateful people in the Labour Party at the moment they’d be very few left.

There is a real difference in tone between a political leader who thinks leadership means imposing all his own views on the party, and one who has views but sees the job largely as representing the views of the party members, or even to some extent the electorate. In the latter case it's possible for the leader to have a view you disagree with but some integrity about their role.

I asked her what would KS do if he became leader - would he deal with the current situation in the LP because it was upsetting a lot of people. She told me that KS was very aware of the current situation as it had "come up a lot" in their canvassing. I think he and his team know this issue isn't going to go away and something needs to be done

what needs to be done is to educate himself, and his team, on the issue........and that means a proper, well rounded education. He needs to take up the opportunities presented last year, that none of the candidates then took up, to meet with WPUK and hear the concerns of women's groups around the issue of Self ID.

Dawn Butler came last in the deputy contest

Sad

Gutted that Raynor is deputy - she is full on TWAW.

^

She made it clear that Keir Starmer didn't sign the Labour Campaign for Trans Rights pledge because of the "expelling Labour members" part and because that they (I'm assuming the KS team) "didn't know who they were or where they had come from". That's why he signed the Labour LGBT pledge instead because they are a known affiliated group^

plain common sense but the others lacked it