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Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

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HeIenaDove · 03/04/2020 20:32

I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

OP posts:
TinselAngel · 08/04/2020 13:42

I really dislike Morris Dancing but I don't go on Morris dancing forums and tell them they're all doing it wrong.

Datun · 08/04/2020 13:40

It certainly is, floral. Along with the enigma of why feminists would look at male behaviour through a lens of male entitlement and male privilege.

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 13:40

Oh I'm sorry. I thought you were advocating a discussion in order to identify patterns of behaviour exhibited during these unprecedented times? Because, as you said, it's important to identify them

No Hooves

I think it is important to recognise behaviour patterns generally when there is detrimental impact to others.

I speculated as to what I though may have been the OP's intention with regards discussion on the thread.

I have observed some recognisable patterns of behaviour on the thread by some posters which makes discussion difficult in predictable ways.

plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 13:38

Magnets, how do they work?

(I realize that 90% of FWR will not get this reference but hey.)

FloralBunting · 08/04/2020 13:32

It is a mystery why we would take the OP at relatively face value, but not really take seriously the poster who only ever comes to FWR to post anti-feminist diatribes. One of those strange situations for which there may never be an answer.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 13:30

I never knew it was possible to pout so intensely that it could be seen over the internet without the involvement of a camera, but there you go.

FloralBunting · 08/04/2020 13:28

Stamp foot, fold arms, grumpy grumpy grumpy.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 08/04/2020 13:28

And it's funny how the op, and her two anecdotes, wasn't told it's not all about you isn't it?

But no bias on here at all. Nope. Only open minded discussion happening here.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 08/04/2020 13:25

R0wantrees

Oh I'm sorry. I thought you were advocating a discussion in order to identify patterns of behaviour exhibited during these unprecedented times? Because, as you said, it's important to identify them

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 13:22

Its not all about you Hooves

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 13:21

Did you need a link to the coronavirus section for all your non feminist analysis related needs?

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 08/04/2020 13:10

So far I've seen

A woman screaming at me that I would have sided with the Nazis because I wouldn't sell her five 1kg bags of pasta

Another woman throw an 18 pack of toilet rolls at me because I wouldn't sell her that plus two packs of nine toilet rolls

Another woman yell, swear and be abusive because I followed the limits on multiple items of shopping that she was buying

A man and a woman who wanted to buy eight packets of paracetamol and who insisted it was ok because they were buying them for other people. When I explained the limit was two packets they asked to buy them in separate transactions. I explained that they couldn't do it, the man accepted it, the woman hit the roof. That time I was being a little Hitler apparently.

Shall I go on? Plenty more examples. But sure, only men that have been behaving badly isn't it?

FloralBunting · 08/04/2020 12:44

I'm still tickled. Feminists being airily dismissed or angrily told off for participating in a thread about observed male behaviour on a feminist focused section of a large chat board.

Still, it is keeping most of the really boring contributors focused, so it is proving useful as well as illustrative and funny.

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 12:39

This thread serves only to bolster confirmation bias.

Some people's confimation biases will no doubt have been bolstered.

Confirmation bias is a powerful thing.

Datun · 08/04/2020 12:20

My question is, wouldn’t most of you be offended if the same thread was started but with women in the title rather than men

Try it. But since female privilege and female entitlement isn't a thing (as a class), I don't suppose it will get many posts.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 12:20

I need to practice my tutting, since we've been reliably informed that it works!

DidoLamenting · 08/04/2020 12:17

By citing the behaviour of two groups of men, totalling six individuals, you think that will enable you to explore sex based patterns of behaviour?

Whilst similar bad behaviour by similar numbers of women is just individual women behaving badly.

The idea that most people are behaving responsibly and a small minority of people aren't isn't considered. Any suggestion that might be the case provokes nonsense responese like that ridiculous list, which bears no resemblance to anything I said but won't stop certain posters promoting it as such.

This thread serves only to bolster confirmation bias.

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 12:16

IRL I highly recommend the "ignore and/or walk away from the person who's being tedious" approach. It's very liberating.

Indeed it is wise to avoid such persons, "for they are vexatious to the spirit"

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 08/04/2020 12:16

IRL I highly recommend the "ignore and/or walk away from the person who's being tedious" approach. It's very liberating.

You forgot to tut loudly. 😁

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 12:12

Apparently, according to Rowantrees the purpose of this thread is to discuss the new behaviour that we are observing and see if any patterns can be observed, so why would someone need to start a new thread in order to engage in what this very thread apparently exists for?

Hooves many of your posts are disingenous.
There's consistant repeated patterns.

I wrote:
"I imagine the point of the thread was to explore the possibility that there might be sex-based differences to some of the behaviours which detrimentally impact women during the current crisis."

I've also reminded you that its not my thread & that I joined in the last few pages.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 08/04/2020 12:12

My question is, wouldn’t most of you be offended if the same thread was started but with women in the title rather than men

At least we would have the good manners to read the whole thread, rather that go onto it, pontificating that we have a life and cant be arsed reading the thread, but we’re going to give our opinion anyway. You remind me of an overindulged child, who insists on shouting and demanding attention, when the grownups in the room are trying to have a conversation. Away and play with your toys and give the adults some peace.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 12:11

Seeing the demonstration of behaviour patterns clearly online (where some may be less inhibited) can also be very useful in recognising detrimental behaviour patterns in real life.

IRL I highly recommend the "ignore and/or walk away from the person who's being tedious" approach. It's very liberating.

R0wantrees · 08/04/2020 12:05

Recognising behaviour patterns of people as group ( in a particular time and place ) isn’t the same as saying that every single member of that group anywhere in the world for the whole of human history has behaved like that .

Some people seem to find this hard to grasp. It’s not a personal attack on them/ their husband / son.

Hence they try to derail the discussions with their “ Not my Nigel” or “ so you all hate your sons then “.

Or “ once a man was nice to me in a supermarket so you are all twisted and bitter liars “.

I assume that’s why they stalk the FWR / AIBU threads attacking and derailing them. Perhaps they imagine that it makes other posters think that all men are great. It doesn’t - it’s just makes them think that certain posters annoying control freaks who enjoy stopping women talking.

We recognise the pattern . They are the same as the ones we know in RL who make every conversation about them.

This ^^

Seeing the demonstration of behaviour patterns clearly online (where some may be less inhibited) can also be very useful in recognising detrimental behaviour patterns in real life.

I0NA · 08/04/2020 12:02

That might be your question but it’s not the question I’m discussing.

So why don’t you start your own thread about that @Guyonhere1

BTW you forget to start your post with “ man here “ or “ I’m a man “ or “ speaking as a bloke “.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 08/04/2020 12:02

What's extra funny is that I keep seeing "random bloke was an arsehole to me in a lockdown related context" threads popping up in AIBU etc, but none of our "Angry of Why Can't You Be Nicer To Men" regulars seem to pop up in those.

(There's one right now about someone smoking in the long line to get into a shop and forcing the woman behind them in the queue to breathe their smoke, then calling her an ugly cow when she complained.)