Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

The only time I ever report posts is if someone is obviously trolling (by which I mean really obvious, "hello my name is Trolly from Trollandia" obvious).

So, it wasn't you who reported one of my posts, which was then deleted? That's good!

It would seem that some people think they are immune when making negative generalisations about entire groups and populations; but when someone else - not in the friendship group - uses a word such as 'bitchy', for example, to express actual spiteful behaviour - the same rule does not seem to apply.

i wouldn't have bothered coming back onto this nasty little thread if my post had not been reported, and alerted me to it.

LOL! I love Glasgow. Censorious randoms on the internet, not so much.

I'm so bored with this tedious little trope/ sweeping generalisation. I've lived in Glasgow. Various in- laws live in Glasgow. The Glaswegians I know do not go around swearing all the time. "Cunt" is not a term of endearment

I agree - maybe that post should be reported.......when in Rome and all ( do as you would have done)......

I live in Liverpool ( a similar kind of city to Glasgow), and over the years, having lived all over the country and been exposed to it, the amount of sheer, undiluted prejudice has been quite something. It is almost a form of racism.

TheProdigalKittensReturn

To be fair Mumsnet as a whole must be a bit of a shock to anyone who's not used to swearing. Don't ever visit Glasgow, Just, you'll feel like the whole city is in a rage and it will be very upsetting

I'm so bored with this tedious little trope/ sweeping generalisation. I've lived in Glasgow. Various in- laws live in Glasgow. The Glaswegians I know do not go around swearing all the time. "Cunt" is not a term of endearment.

TinselAngel

I really dislike Morris Dancing but I don't go on Morris dancing forums and tell them they're all doing it wrong

Utterly irrelevant. Same as the "don't go on Litter Tray/Dog House/ etc, etc , etc " threads.

I'm not a Morris Dancer - I am a woman. The idea that only whatever the current approved flavour of the month woman should be posting here is nonsense.

It's said on here often enough that feminism is a political theory- if it is it's up for criticism.

How edifying ( not) that some have taken to reporting others for expressing their views and experiences. What a shower! Honestly! Embarrassing and actually very injurious to the common cause. Actually backs up what I was expressing too. Not good!

Didn’t go to a girls school

At my school a boy held a lit cigarette up to my eye and he and his friends held a boy by his ankles over two flights of stairs

The second Instance was bullying behavior

Our schools were a world apart and yet they had much in common. Shhh. It was male behavior patters.

I'm not angry either. Who is?
That would be me. I have been angry since I was five years old and my uncle asked me what I wanted to be when I grow up and then told me I couldn't be what I wanted to because I'm a girl.
That simmering anger over injustice has been the force that moved me to action, just as it has been for so many women over the years and does to this day.
This thread, on the other hand, just makes me sad.

And again, there are patterns and people do observe them and form opinions accordingly. Which may then result in them not taking some of those whose patterns they've observed over time particularly seriously on particular topics.

YY Rufus

My personal experience so far (as I have posted) is no problems with people of either sex.
There are likely a number of factors involved, including luck.

just saying that others observations didn't always match and we didn't have a lot of observations to work with given the newness of the situation

To be honest if this had been the first reply i would probably have kept my trap shut

Ive only been out once and couldn’t see (possibly being too terrified or making a mistake myself) anyone male or female being a twat...and obviously i did say this eventually

I really am starting to wonder if people have actually read this discussion.

The OP gave her observations which she thought seemed like a pattern. Some agreed with her while other said they did not see the same pattern, and that they felt that she was probably working from too little data.

It is worth re-reading Goose yes.

OP HeIenaDove wrote about her experiences Fri 03-Apr-20 20:32:12
"I know in the scheme of things this is only small but its the bloody entitlement that gets to me.

When the new Coronavirus Bill came in last Thursday two men used the 2 m gap to try to push in front while i was queuing outside Tesco.

Re, social distancing , i try i really try to stay 2m from people at all times on the rare occasions but the amount of men who walk right next to me or towards me KNOWING that i will move.

This afternoon was the final straw Queuing outside Sainsburys observing the 2 m rule i had to wait until the queue moved to where the trolleys were . There was no way i could get to them BEFORE queuing and observe the 2m rule so i had to wait in the queue before i got to them. I leant across to put my pound in the slot and the FOUR men queuing behind me jumped the queue by moving along in front.

Im so fed up with the entitlement Every time its been a man EVERY TIME. Ive not seen this from women at all .

• on the rare occasions i do go out to shop for food."

Yours was the first response:
Goosefoot Fri 03-Apr-20 20:44:01
I think this is just people. Not men in particular.

It's been made quite clear that we're not allowed to have that kind of discussion, Goose, so I am being very out of character compliant on the matter. I believe the currently sanctioned topic of discussion is bullying, but you will have to double check.

Recognising behaviour patterns of people as group ( in a particular time and place ) isn’t the same as saying that every single member of that group anywhere in the world for the whole of human history has behaved like that .

I really am starting to wonder if people have actually read this discussion.

The OP gave her observations which she thought seemed like a pattern. Some agreed with her while other said they did not see the same pattern, and that they felt that she was probably working from too little data.

They weren't saying that all men don't do that, therefore there is no patter. They were questioning whether there was a sex related pattern of behaviour at all and/or were concerned about extrapolating a pattern from too few, or contradictory, observations. There wasn't anyone denying the OPs personal observations, just saying that others observations didn't always match and we didn't have a lot of observations to work with given the newness of the situation.

At which point several people claimed that those who thought that way were either men, or fibbing about their observations, or trying to stop women analysing the situation, or getting support, or they didn't understand class analysis, or were blaming bad male behaviour on women.

How is that denial that patterns of behaviour exist?

And in a remote "classroom" that doubles as your living room like the actual kids too!

(Condolences and wine to those currently finding themselves homeschooling when that was never something they'd planned for.)

TIL what TIL means.
(every day is indeed a schoolday)

TIL that saying something once is repeating it! Every day's a school day, etc.

Not a girls school though, because that would be terrible.

Oh sorry

I was going to say that the emotional bullying was probably worse

Meanwhile, Goose still doesn't understand what "class analysis"

Yes, I notice you keep repeating this without actually substantiating your comment. Do you really believe that you can have class analysis without a clear sense of the material facts? That class analysis has to be rooted in material reality isn't my personal opinion, nor is it controversial.

I agree tinsel

My brother was beaten, verbally abused and emotionally bullied virtually every day of his school life

Unfortunately he was sent to a different school to me as my school was due to close

It's all a question of degrees surely?

I'd rather be called ugly than dangled over stairs, but equally a concerted online campaign as you describe with your DD's friend that results in suicide is obviously far worse than a one off physical episode.

How else can you explain it?

Maybe it refers to previous comments about female children such as:

"Girls in groups can be very cruel to other girls who don't quite fit, or who don't conform in some way (most of us probably have the experience of the 'bitchy' clique at school, or in the work place) - and there is tendency to close ranks both emotionally, psychologically and sometimes physically ( by forming a circle and turning their back towards 'the reject'). Girls can specialise in emotional bullying and exclusion - and in a way that boys don't tend to."

or
^"This is the type of nasty, bitchy behaviour I referred to earlier - as commonly found in all female spaces such as schools."

Just my thoughts of course.

Datun, here is the paragraph

I went to a girls school and though there was some bullying none of it was potentially life threatening in the dangling someone over a staircase sense. But hey, girls are worse, obviously.

The last sentence "But hey, girls are worse, obviously"

How is that not about minimising non physical bullying and what does the comment about girls mean then? It's making the comment that boys dangling another boy over the stairs is worse than what bullying by girls would be like.

How else can you explain it?