Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

And the third bunch of men shopping WITH their wives. Why? Why trail around behind her, performing no useful purpose

To be fair it's normally the wife that wants to tag along for a couple's trip out. Most men would quite happily get out of the house on their own for some alone time

@HorseRadishFemish apologies, I'm trying to get this straight in my head. You're saying that all men are fucking stupid? Or all people who don't think that all men are arseholes are fucking stupid?

Obviously I can get through to you, I wonder why?

HAHAHAHA!

And that there are parts of male behavioral that are a real issue and so widespread that you honestly have to remind yourself you arent crazy By seeing it as a problem.because its everywhere and therfore it must be normal right?

Yes @SarahTancredi - I think the "manslamming" and the utterly outrageous entitlement men feel they have to public space as so "normal" that we don't see it. It's "natural" apparently, because I don't know, they're broader across the shoulders? Or something?

And when women call it out as a general tendency of men, they get called "feminazis" or paranoid or mean. And that it's NAMALT.

But all men get the benefit of this masculine socialisation.

It has been explained why "men". Go back and read properly.

@HorseRadishFemish so you're saying that all people in the NAMALT 'tribe' are fucking stupid?

And the third bunch of men shopping WITH their wives. Why? Why trail around behind her, performing no useful purpose when he could sit in the car or stay at home and leave space for others’ safety.

Surely the question is why didn't either of them? Why is it the men that were wrong there? The women could stay at or in the car too? How come it's only the men who were wrong for being there?

Strange isn't it how many of you are noticing far more men shopping than normal - during a pandemic when the safe option is to at home more men than usual are shopping, presumably putting themselves at risk rather than their female partners.

The people in the "NAMALT tribe".

Keep up!

@HorseRadishFemish who's fucking stupid?

I dunno.

I mean I spent years ignoring this stuff. Put myself into so many situations that could have ended badly desperately trying to prove people wrong when they say "men do X" or "hes a bloke just he careful" and if anything went wrong I thought it was my fault that I'd mis understood in some way.

Its only now that I see that its not more has it ever been me that's the problem. And that there are parts of male behavioral that are a real issue and so widespread that you honestly have to remind yourself you arent crazy By seeing it as a problem.because its everywhere and therfore it must be normal right?

I'm done now.

Im.done defending men like that. I'm.done even pretending the nice ones even have a fucking clue.

And I'm.done having to start every sentence with "I know it's not all men..."

Fuck that. This board is not here to pander to that. This is one place we dont have to centre mens feelings

When men did this to me I gave them The Look. It works for me!

It's men and women. I posted about an incident with a woman pushing in yesterday

Why do the NAMALT tribe even come in to Feminism Chat?

How else are they gonna let us know they're fucking stupid?

And the third bunch of men shopping WITH their wives. Why? Why trail around behind her, performing no useful purpose when he could sit in the car or stay at home and leave space for others’ safety

Many women actively like/want their partner to accompany them everywhere.....I see it in clothes shops too.....with men hanging around, endlessly waiting for their partner. Jeez! I couldn't stand it.

Don't forget, also, that for many people - the trip out to the supermarket is the only activity that many people will have to get out of the house.......

This crisis is bringing out some of the worst and most petty concerns of all of us; as well as the best. It can be very easy to judge and to virtue signal.......and everyone seems to be at it.

The one time I’ve been out shopping I didn’t notice anyone doing anything ‘wrong’

I was just trying not to do anything ‘wrong’ myself...and i was concentrating so hard i missed the One way arrows on the floor! Won’t make that mistake again

So in my limited experience i was bring the twat!

The problem I have is someone is someone linking a negative behaviour to the sex of the people doing it when there are only two whole examples

Ah so now someones experiences have to be based on a valid amounts of examples

Awesome....so if it happens to helena 5 times she can say it?

I have checked the opening post and i cant see where helena said ALL men do it, but its early and i may have missed it

In my experience there are as many clueless, disorganised and /or rude ( in supermarkets) women as there are men. Generally, it is women who do the bulk of the family supermarket shop...and as a result tend to know their way around the aisles of their chosen store...rather than dithering and clogging up the aisles.....but generalisations are just that.....generalisations.

Regarding distancing and taking up space....runners and cyclists ( of the lycra/Team Sky sports variety) seem to be the least accommodating - but that is generally the case, anyway; and certainly in terms of the cyclists it is almost exclusively male. They can be as aggressive and entitled as any car driver - almost misanthropic in many cases. Maybe it has something to do with the power of speed, and how it changes your perceptions of yourself and the world around you.

Always preferred walking, myself. you notice more of the world around you, the environment and other people. I tend to see lone males as quite vulnerable in certain ways......and suspect that they have fewer inner resources to cope with loneliness or isolation.

Most people are pack creatures, and what is most important to them is belonging to a group/a social circle/hobby group etc, and they will do whatever they can to fit in or be acceptable. this applies as much to women as to men.

When people are in tight knit groups - whether that be family or friends - they are less accommodating and aware of others ( outside of their group).

Women have as much capacity for negativity, anti-social behaviours as men, although the forms this takes may differ between the sexes.

Also more men were wearing masks than women did.

Some of the masks available to the general public will be from DIY or workplace PPE. My DH has some good (technically past their date but still in good nick) kit from working in the chemical industry. It doesn't fit me, it's designed for a bigger face.

For me it's the male joggers and their right to own the pavement. A faster version of Patriarchy Chicken.

Ffs this is feminism.chat. this isnt so much about individual examples it's how men as a class treat/oppress women.

Somethings are so common they have a name. Like man spreading.

Fortunately as I've only been shopping a couple of times I haven't experienced this in the queue yet as it was before all these measures kicked in or there were so few people there was no queue.

But I did see a man who clearly knew I was waiting for him to finish buying whatever it was he was buying so so I could get to where he was. So he spent ten minutes staring at womens deodorant. Then after putting nothing in his basket he turned round and started staring at the baby wipes...

Eventually left having picked up nothing.

Why do the NAMALT tribe even come in to Feminism Chat?

And yeah I’ve noticed this. My window overlooks a popular running track and I see men sauntering up the middle of the track so other people have to squeeze to get past. Only men.

I haven't experienced that much at all really.
There was one occasion in Asda where a man nearly barged into my son with his trolley. DS wasn't charging round the shop, he was walking with me, hand on the buggy like I'd asked him to. DD was in the buggy.
He then had the cheek to say "Children need to learn manners"
Nob!
I'm the type that tends to just ignore but I was having a really bad day...
I said "Yes you are right, thank you! DS that man was very rude and he shouldn't have hit you with his trolley. He needs to say sorry to you, its good manners".
The man looked extremely bewildered as we walked away.

Group of 3 lads stood right behind me at a traffic light when I was out for a walk yesterday. Even during a normal period of time with no social distancing it would have been a bit "are you all huddling because you're cold or something? back off, there's plenty of space" but in the current circumstances it was extra "do these kids even notice that there are other humans around?"

DH was walking with me and was also annoyed, his interpretation was teenagers think they're immortal.

These people are thick, right?

We already knew there were loads of the fuckers but this virus is just highlighting it?

I’ve got to go to the supermarket today, I’m debating wearing the respirator mask I have from being Fit tested at work to keep people away!