Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

And i would call the pushing in behaviour out no matter the sex of the person doing it. Its just that in MY experience in the two
weeks of lockdown we have had so far ive had SIX men do it When a woman does it and if i experience SIX women doing it i will let you know*

No one has denied it was your experience. It was the attempts to extrapolate your personal experience to be applicable generally.

Here's my experience today. At least 3 heterosexual couples who made no effort to not walk side by side forcing others out of the path/pavement. Two women barging ahead of a queue and entering a shop clearly sign posted "only 1 customer at a time". That's 5 women not behaving properly for the lockdown in 1 day.

My conclusions ? Some people are rude and thoughtless. I would not have even bothered mentioning it if it had not been for this thread.

HelenaDove - your original post has so obviously burnt a nerve with some other posters who fear what you said! Who have gone on and on and on about it, filling up the old bingo card with "NAMALT" and "women are just as bad", and all the merailing!.

Yes, I agree with you! It's been my experience too! And yes, it's bloody male entitlement.

Take that dido

I was in cheese shop today- very clearly signposted only one customer at a time in the shop.

It didn't stop a woman barging in ahead of me when I was in the queue outside and when there was clearly a customer in the shop. Her excuse was she was there to collect her order box.

Didn't stop a second woman, once I was in the shop, barging in to collect her order box.

I do wonder if some people are lost when they rock up on FWR

What a patronising comment

Never do quite get why some feel topics in FWR have to be steered well away from a feminist focus

"Steered away from a feminist focus" - i.e not agreeing with the concensus.

I shit you not... long queue at supermarket yesterday an elderly woman pushed right in the front and walked straight in despite the security guard who was managing the flow challenging her and trying to stop her. She glared at him and carried on straight in. Everyone just tutted and eye rolled.

I dunno, maybe the feminist focus of the topic is eluding some posters. I mean, a number of posters said they had noticed a specific kind of behaviour from men, and the posters now so eager for a discussion about 'what the cause of that might be' started straight off the bat with fairly typical poo-poohing of specifically feminist analysis and discussion

There was no "feminist analysis" in the opening post. It was an anecdote hoping for responses which would be along the lines of "yes, men are terrible".

One of the first posters who politely suggested that bad behaviour is not limited to one sex was subjected to the "feminist analysis" of being called a liar and a man.

"Feminist analysis and discussion" in this thread is anyone who supports the OP's view. Anything else is "sea lioning", "merailing".

The sweeping generalisations, pathetic sexist jokes about penis size and the oh so superior tone (such "eluding some posters") are prime examples of FWR at its worst.

Helen Saxby: Women are not just expected to be nice whilst fighting for our rights, we're expected to be nice instead of fighting for our rights.

Will you women please learn to be ‘nice’!

Sorry I had to say it.

Bloody hell there’s a lot of derailers on here tonight.

Yeah, women and aggressive tones. Definitely need to express ourselves so that we are putting things across in the right tone.

Think it was the aggressive tone rather than the point of view

I dunno, maybe the feminist focus of the topic is eluding some posters. I mean, a number of posters said they had noticed a specific kind of behaviour from men, and the posters now so eager for a discussion about 'what the cause of that might be' started straight off the bat with fairly typical poo-poohing of specifically feminist analysis and discussion.

I do wonder if some people are lost when they rock up on FWR. Lots of places to discuss generalities about human behaviour, even on Mumsnet, even about Coronavirus behaviours. Never do quite get why some feel topics in FWR have to be steered well away from a feminist focus.

Except women don't actually have a unified set of observations - my own observations are women's observations! So where's the discussion?

I believe the dogma states that you've internalised the misogyny

12th rule of misogyny: Women's ability to recognize male behavior patterns is misandry.

I'm fairly sure it's poor form to call other women "bitchy" on a feminist forum.

I don't know, your allowed to call accuse them of being men or sexists.

The difficulty is not people talking about whether or now women and men have different habits in terms of rule following or personal distancing, or what the cause of that might be, or people talking about their experiences. It's with people acting like their own experience is somehow definitive and completely objective, and anyone who questions the generalisation or has a different observation is somehow anti-woman or telling fibs.

When saying that not all behavioural issues are based on sex the response was that I was denying women's observations. Except women don't actually have a unified set of observations - my own observations are women's observations! So where's the discussion?

I read somewhere about a study that showed that when people are walking in the street women are disproportionately the ones moving out of other people's way - our eyes are constantly scanning to see where to go. Whereas the majority of men don't scan, and just plough through....so it doesn't surprise me that men are worse at social distancing when walking. I haven't been out much but agree that it has tended to be men who just walk past you without trying to social distance (which is consistent with general life really - I don't think a woman has ever walked into me in the street but I've been shoulder barged by men more times than I can count)

Somelady

(we have a right to bitch)

This was posted early on in this thread. I thought it was inappropriate.

that is a very bitchy of you all

I'm fairly sure it's poor form to call other women "bitchy" on a feminist forum.

Do they though...

Apart from Rufus. Rufus is always fucking funny.

OK I found out about sealioning, that is a very bitchy of you all

What does this mean?

Gawd blimey this thread is wearing.

They know who I mean

Do they though...

And the schools probably won’t open again until August or September

Ah awesome

Thanks dido i thought it was me for a bit