Men pushing in in queues and not social distancing.

Don’t these men also push in front of other men, or do they only do it to women?

Bloody hell!!

Some posters really hate us discussing the ways in which we women are disadvantaged by sex discriminations!

Men pushing into queues, men barging, men coming to close - was quite obvious, two days ago when I went shopping!

Was also obvious, 20 years ago, when I went shopping! No fucking change, there!

NO one is saying that some behaviours in society aren't more from males or females, or in a few cases almost exclusively so.

That is exactly what some on the thread are saying and they have said it repeatedly.

Clearly many women are involved in painful and negative relationships with men, in which they feel controlled or demeaned...but that is not the first principle of feminism...or a kind of diktat.

Feminism is the political movement for the liberation of women.
WTF do you think Feminism is committed to liberating women from, fer crying out loud?

A couple of days ago, I was outside the doors to the local Coop,

Yesterday I went to the local coop and two women were stood outside the door, chatting. They were 2m apart but I couldn't walk between them without being closer.
They weren't going to move, so I asked them to and they gave me a filthy look and muttered behind my back after reluctantly moving just enough.

A couple of days ago, I was outside the doors to the local Coop, waiting to be allowed in. The doors are beside the newspaper rack. A man in his sixties started walking towards me, so I said "whoa, you need to keep 2m away". He responded that he wanted a paper and his actions (ie kept walking towards me) meant I took evasive action. (The security guard inside the store was shaking his head in disbelief). The man was wearing woolley gloves, couldn't turn the pages with his hands so used his tongue/lips/mouth instead!

The one way system isn't great (imo), as most people stood in the very centre of the aisle, meaning that you could not overtake, or you would be closer than 2 metres, so everyone would have to shop at the rate of the slowest mover.

When I was shopping it seemed that people were not sure if we were supposed to overtake in the one way aisles - even if people are on the edges it didn't leave 2m between. You could see people thinking about it. The conclusion I came to was that part of the point of being one way is that if you overtake you aren't in peoples faces, and if we stopped and waited for the cleaners and such we'd not move at all. Others may have thought I was taking risks I guess, I tend to be fairly practical and see some things like shopping as having inherent risk - I don't expect social distancing to result in perfect or even near perfect safety because they simply don't. Since we need to shop we make it as safe as we can, but single people down the aisle would mean longer lines outside so that's a trade off too.

It is the same with a lot of new rules - there seem to be new ones every time ad people are not all as quick at catching on. I was told not to bring my bags once and at the shop it turned out I needed them and had to buy new ones, then the next time I wasn't allowed to use them at all.

TinselAngel

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

How so,Hooves?

Pretty sure Hooves was just being sarcastic.

Anyway whether it was the patriarchy or the fact she is a selfish, entitled hypocrite which made her do it she's now admitted she was at her holiday home 2 weekends running

TinselAngel

Well because apparently women don't have free agency. When they make questionable choices it isn't their fault, according to some on here.

So Scotland's CMO making a very poor choice can't possibly be because she's selfish or a test can it?

I had this in Asda. The one way system isn't great (imo), as most people stood in the very centre of the aisle, meaning that you could not overtake, or you would be closer than 2 metres, so everyone would have to shop at the rate of the slowest mover. And people just don't have the patience. I saw a handful of people overtake regardless, and also turn back so they were not following the arrows. They were ALL men.

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

How so, Hooves?

It's as tho' when there are reports of football hooligans trashing a bar or café abroad there are some people who automatically think - bloody women

NO one is saying that some behaviours in society aren't more from males or females, or in a few cases almost exclusively so.

But you cannot therefor just assume that any other given behaviour are male or female simply because it seems that way at first glance, or because someone makes a small number of observations about it. In this case it seems that some people seem to have observed that it's mostly men, while others have not, and there just aren't enough observations to draw a conclusion. Even six observations by an individual is not enough to draw a reliable conclusion, chance could provide that many examples on one side even without the fact that observations by individuals are always biased. Behaviours like this can also can be very different regionally with men and women generally.

This is a data question. And as Floisme says, we don't have any data, it's just people reporting their observations so it's important to see what the rage is, really from as many people as possible. Without reliable data no one can even conclude if it is a feminist question - appearing on FWR doesn't mean that it is. It's just our impressions.

Be fair DidoLamenting must have been the patriarchy made her do it

It is dido

Its taking the piss, it really Is

This is appalling behaviour.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-scotland-52171694

...but yes, you do get male drivers who seem to take delight in trying to scare pedestrians, and even children on their way to school...by driving in such a way as to signal that they are prepared to run them over. They seem to get a kick out of it. A certain type of male........

So walk or cycle everywhere. When I'm out and about most of that time it'll be in a 30mph zone and a car whizzes past me and my children, clearly breaking the speed limit it has always been a man

I love walking too......as well as driving, and speeding cars do make one feel unsafe in one's own environment - certainly in built up residential areas. I witnessed some totally reckless driving once.......a car was itching to over-take me ( I was within the 30 speed limit), so much so that it did so in a frankly dangerous position, just as we were turning into a narrowed lane....

The car proceeded to hit a male motorcyclist coming towards us - who was thrown from his bike. I stopped the car and jumped out. Fortunately, he was fine...just very shocked, understandably!

The driver of the car was a woman. I yelled at her..." what on earth were you doing?" " You were reckless, and this was your fault". It was!

She showed little contrition, and in fact seemed more concerned about her own feelings, and why was no-one comforting her......Honestly!

Must admit to being surprised and by the stats (which I'm not challenging). I was talking about my experience. I don't drive or own a car. So walk or cycle everywhere. When I'm out and about most of that time it'll be in a 30mph zone and a car whizzes past me and my children, clearly breaking the speed limit it has always been a man. Honestly. Not making it up. Always. I suppose it's possible that the women speeders are doing it on motorways where I would not witness it or similarly down country lanes etc.

So yeah, can't argue with the statistics.

According to this article women are more likely to exceed the speed limit but less likely to damage rental cars.

It's not the most scientific of studies.

cardealermagazine.co.uk/publish/women-drivers-break-speed-limit-men-official/90189

www.brake.org.uk/facts-resources/1593-driver-gender

The short version of the above, if it is accurate, is women are safer drivers. The stats are skewed to an extent because more men than women have driving licences and men drive more and for longer journeys.

I don't think the link below proves anything beyond it's an oddity.
www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/angus-mearns/641586/montrose-women-giving-boy-racers-a-run-for-their-money-as-speeding-concerns-increase/

I think the reason that so many are countering the assertions about men being inherently more selfish, pushing in etc - is because it has been framed in such a rigid, dictatorial way....it just begs counter-balance and the playing of devil's advocate. When something is so polarised, one-sided, or so extreme, it is bound to result in a back-lash.

That has surprised me. Do you have the figures

Being honest, I've had nine points for driving over the speed limit...although I'm very conscious these days of staying within the limits; i'm almost religious about it. I used to live in Aberdeenshire, and the car, and the open road, in magnificent scenery it was just so tempting...the thrill of speed; the feeling of liberation; the joy of it.....

Personally, I love driving...it is important to me; gives me a feeling of control and independence........women have egos and urges for adventure and quest and discovery too.

said driving too fast

The archetype is that of the reckless, self centred younger male driver.....which is why insurance premiums are high for for them. Young males in nature over tend to be associated with thrusting, combative energy.......I'm sure testosterone is responsible for certain types of masculine drive and behaviour or attitude.......although as human beings with the possibility for free agency, we have the capability to modify our urges and drives.

That has surprised me. Do you have the figures?

No, and I haven't been on one myself, but speaking to people who have, there is a mix of men and women.

I'm sure with regards to speeding, there will be statistics on that.

A FoI response from 2014 (FOIR4226) showed that 6.6% of male and 3.3% of female drivers had points on their licenses related to speeding offences. In 2018, the average man drove around 4k miles while the average woman drove 2.5k miles in the UK (Statistia Jan 31, 2020).