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Petition based on lies and misinformation

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Stealhsquirrelnutkin · 29/03/2020 22:25

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This really is nauseating. A petition full of lies and misinformation has been posted on change.org in an attempt to prevent the LGB Alliance from being granted charity status.

As an old lesbian I am horrified that this kind of propaganda is being spread. Stonewall, the charity we set up and supported for decades has betrayed us completely. Their website now claims that homosexuality is a medical term for "orientation towards someone of the same gender".

Homosexuality is not, and never was an attraction to people who identify with the same gender based stereotypes. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation, and homosexuals are attracted to people of the same sex. Telling young lesbians that they are bigots and transphobes because they can't train themselves to "cope" with the "female" penis is horrendously cruel, and deeply homophobic. Bisexuals are attracted to both sexes, if they were also attracted to all genders they would call themselves pansexual, not bi. Stonewall went looking for a way to stay relevant and well funded after gay marriage was attained, latched on to transgenderism and has been lobbying to undermine our rights and legal protections ever since.

We never wanted to have to go our own way. We wanted the organisation we created, Stonewall, to stand up for our legal rights. Only when it became completely clear that they had no intention of doing so, and in fact were lobbying hard to change existing laws that protect our sex based rights and right to our own sexual orientation did a new organisation become necessary.

Nobody is working to undermine or destroy Stonewall, we are happy to leave them to continue their chosen work of centering transgender people, and those who happily identify themselves as queer, along with all the other letters of the alphabet. We have just given up on hoping that they will represent us, and have chosen to leave and set up our own representation. To claim this is evidence of transphobia is nonsense. We are fully within our rights to build a group that supports our own special needs.

The LGB alliance centres the needs of lesbians, gays and bisexuals and stands up for our rights, it was greeted with relief and joy by lesbians, gays and bisexuals who had been watching in horror as Stonewall worked to erase us from history and from our own organisation.

The petition is purposefully misleading, it quotes biased articles from Pink News as if they were academic reference papers. I've reported it for being misleading, homophobic and hateful, and hope you will too.

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littlbrowndog · 30/03/2020 09:46

Am blocked by paisley. I have never tweeted anything to him

How am I silenced by him. What have I done to be blocked

R0wantrees · 30/03/2020 09:41

So many men apparently keen to attempt to smear & silence lesbian-led LGB Alliance:

twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1243875229404991494

twitter.com/DavidPaisley/status/1243877062424825856

Petition based on lies and misinformation
Petition based on lies and misinformation
TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/03/2020 09:32

I've contacted Change.org, which is as Cwenthryth suggests a far more productive use of everyone's time.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 30/03/2020 09:30

Assume all you want robin. You've had your feeding for the day 👍

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/03/2020 09:20

You're right, Cwenthryth. Grey rock is the most appropriate response to certain individuals.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/03/2020 09:19

Oh, Robin, it's you again. Surely you've realized that your attempts at intervention here are doing more harm than good? In order to intervene effectively people have to see you as having credibility, which we do not.

RobinMoiraWhite · 30/03/2020 09:16

‘Take your homophobia and misogyny somewhere else robin.’

If this wasn’t serious, it would be amusing. I’m neither homophobic or misogynist, but you feel able to make those comments because I challenge an opinion someone else has expressed, or rather, I have asked them to justify the factual basis for it.

So, I assume you support ‘no platforming’ of anyone who questions your view?

midcenturylegs · 30/03/2020 09:12

Whoever writes for the LGB Alliance website is a gifted writer. Not one word wasted, intelligent and clear.

MarchMare · 30/03/2020 09:06

*LGB Alliance was recently censured by the Advertising Standards Authority for publishing misleading adverts opposing reform to the GRA in the press.’

That would be true?*

Not true. They were not censured. They were advised the ad was "potentially misleading" because the legislation was under consultation rather than law. The ASA ruled that the adverts DID NOT BREACH the advertising code.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 30/03/2020 09:06

Theres a response from LGBA on their Facebook page:

Some of our supporters have asked us to respond to the petition launched in an attempt to block our application for charitable status. As we have said before, we prefer not to spend our energy on refuting the many bizarre charges that come our way.

The notion that we have “consistently undermined the equality act” is particularly ridiculous. One of our main aims is to ensure that the Equality Act is properly enforced: that is, recognizing the protected characteristics of “sex” and “gender reassignment”, and not “gender” & “gender identity”, as is often mis-stated. Our supporters are welcome to complain to change dot org, which recently declined to host a petition against any changes to the definition of “woman”, but we won’t do so ourselves. #SexNotGender #EnforceTheEqualityAct

PertEllaTitsahoy · 30/03/2020 09:03

Reported

RobinMoiraWhite · 30/03/2020 08:56

For example, take an easy statement of fact:

‘LGB Alliance was recently censured by the Advertising Standards Authority for publishing misleading adverts opposing reform to the GRA in the press.’

That would be true?

AnyOldSpartabix · 30/03/2020 08:54

Reported.

PertEllaTitsahoy · 30/03/2020 08:53

Take your homophobia and misogyny somewhere else robin.

Dadq · 30/03/2020 08:48

I'm not the OP, but here's one particularly egregious lie from the petition The LGB alliance has consistently undermined the equality act.

RobinMoiraWhite · 30/03/2020 08:40

I would just like the OP to make good on their ‘lies and misinformation’ comment, by taking statements in the petition and identifying how they are ‘lies and misinformation’. That’s all. Too much to ask?

Cwenthryth · 30/03/2020 08:14

Thanks for the heads up, reported to change.org for homophobia

Baroness Stowell’s email on the HOL site is [email protected] it does say that bulk emails are not accepted, more than six of the same message will be deleted, so we do need to write our own messages.

Alternatively/additionally if someone wants to start a counter-petition supporting charity status for LGBAlliance I’m sure that would attract signatures!

Polite suggestion wims, let’s not get drawn into any kind of thread derailment by responding to any kind of debate about ‘LGBAlliance is an anti-trans hate group’ on this thread - this house’s position is quite clear on this front. Robin if you wish to debate that point, maybe you could start your own thread and those that wish to can engage with you there, rather than trying to disrupt women organising against homophobia on this thread - not a good look for you.

midcenturylegs · 30/03/2020 07:59

Reported too. It's yet another vicious attempt to silence women. ((And gay men, I know, but I suspect women mostly).

MrsBodger · 30/03/2020 07:51

Reported

Datun · 30/03/2020 07:50

Hate groups should not be granted charitable status.

Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic based on sex. If it's hate speech to say so, let have some sunlight on that and ask why/how.

OhHolyJesus · 30/03/2020 07:43

I've reported it.

We could also write to the Charity Commission and Baroness Stowell?

Why would someone want to stop a group who supports LGB people getting charity status? I'd like to ask Jamie Walker more about her motives. I'm sure Boris will be discussing her position and the purposes of the petition at length with his cabinet.

NonnyMouse1337 · 30/03/2020 07:34

Hate group - lol.

Kit19 · 30/03/2020 07:33

Reported. Homosexuality is attraction to the same sex not same gender. It’s astounding this even needs saying and yet it does

Floisme · 30/03/2020 07:33

Oh hi Robin.

The answer's still no.

RobinMoiraWhite · 30/03/2020 07:30

I’ve read the petition. Perhaps the OP would state what they believe constitute ‘lies and misinformation’ as it appears quite accurate to me. Hate groups should not be granted charitable status.

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