Zoe has gone woke

TRA belief is that sex and gender are different - so why is asking for one's sex such a problem anyway?

If sex is the irrelevance that we're told it is, why is it such a big deal?

And isn't it transphobic to assume that transpeople are on hormones? How very rude of them.

'What sex are you?' should be the question.

Some people would flat out lie in response to that and deliberately fuck up the data, ego being more important than ethics. IIRC it was a fairly well known UK transwoman who said they'd be quite happy to enrol in a medical trial as a "woman" - don't want to name them just in case I've misremembered who it was.

as far as i can tell Zoe is only available as an app and 60% of people over 65 arent on line at all and only 19% own a smartphone

the data is going to be massively skwered towards the young and healthy

Also intersex people used the 'assigned at birth' term precisely because it is sometimes quite genuinely wrong.

In which case the app is potentially getting the wrong info from intersex people. Ironically, the only people for whom the term holds any true significance.

'What sex are you?' should be the question.

Shouldn't Zoe be prioritising older people, the most vulnerable population, above a bunch of petulant triviality activists? (tantrum activists?) Are older people going to know what the fuck "sex assigned at birth" even means? Any competent English speaker is going to be extremely confused by that phrase.

If not offending TRAs is genuinely such a huge priority, why don't they put "sex recorded at birth?" This has the advantage of being accurate, unlike "assigned" and therefore much less confusing for people who don't know the jargon.

And it doesn't go against any of the rules of trans religion because they can pretend the wrong sex was recorded if they like - it is in no way implying they actually are their actual sex, which I appreciate would be blasphemous.

"Sex recorded at birth" seems like it should be a very workable solution that meets everyone's needs/"needs"- but then more and more it seems like TRAs don't want actual solutions to their purported problems, they just want to make people speak nonsense catechisms as part of the power trip. That birthing leaflet that was posted here recently is another example - it could have been written non-confusingly even within genderist rules, but it wasn't. I suspect that clunky confusing language which excludes much of the target audience is a more satisfying signal of obeisance.

Also, fuck "Zoe", they aren't getting my data. Maybe I would have once thought this didn't matter much and it is worth co-operating with them despite it. But now I see that making a consistent fuss over trivialities, prioritising their egos over the common good, is how TRAs have been eroding women's rights. And it's only worked because people expect women not to do the same. I'd encourage everyone reading to delete this app. If they can't respect us, they can fuck off.

nope! i am of course shocked to discover that Zoe is all male

joinzoe.com/about-us

i genuinely think they think lying to women doesnt 'count'

So with the hormone answer, that's just a basic lie as to why they did it.

That's not good is it.

I’ve contacted them too:

“Got logged out and when I tried to log back in noticed your demographic questions have been altered. I think this is in a way that will render your results at best confusing and at worst meaningless.

It appears biological males have poorer outcomes from COVID-19. Surely it would therefore be useful to know how many males are supplying information. Asking if people identify as male will conflate data from males and trans men (ie biological females)
What will you do if everyone replies they don’t identify as anything?

Also sex is not assigned at birth it is noted after the briefest of glances by the birth attendant. Why could you not stick with were you born male or female (with an option to say intersex/indeterminate)”

At first got the generic reply but earlier today got what looks like an individual reply

“Thank you for reaching out with this feedback. Our goal here is to be as inclusive as possible. We will be providing helpful information to our scientists with whom we collaborated on these questions. We not only as sex assigned at birth (a standard question used in research) but have also asked about how people identify (i.e. as transgender) so that we may rectify the issues you are concerned about.”

So I have of course sent a further comment

“ People are either male or female even those that have one of the disorders of sexual differentiation. Therefore that is all the information you need to be inclusive of everyone!”

I've uninstalled too. What's the point in giving them data if they aren't bothering to collect accurate data in the first place? Scientists that credit gender feelz as having any importance in the current situation can fucking do one.

Yes this is dissembling. Why would I trust such dishonest people with my data after that ?

Personally I would be quite interested in knowing whether the fact that I was given a pneumonia jab with the flu jab has meant I only suffered minor symptoms if cv was was I had. But do not trust these so called scientists wh9 don’t seem bothered bout looking at real data

They are not doing themselves any favours. I'm all for helping out but because of their insistence in pandering to woo and excluding people in the name of 'inclusivity' I'm not at all sure that they understand science and wonder if it is genuine. I have now deleted the app.

And most don’t take any HRT. Or undertake any other body modifying interventions. This is bullshit.

They don’t ask about HRT or contraception so they can get to fuck with their “go away silly women” answer

Although if disingenuousness was a science, then they’d be geniuses

If that was what they were after, they’d have a question on whether you are on HRT, surely?
Do they really think we’re that thick?

But are they asking about any/if hormones taken or if a woman is taking hrt?

Do they ask about hormonal contraception?

They don’t ask what HRT people are on . They didn’t ask me - an actual woman.

Here is the reply I had... yes we can see the real agenda here...,
“we are not able to meet your demand. Our goal here is to be as inclusive as possible while collecting valid data that helps everyone. It is important for us to understand the role that hormone replacement medications may play in transgender individuals among other things. We appreciate your feedback and hope you continue to log your symptoms to help our scientists ”
I m in favour of using science but by using assigned at birth, they do not include me.

The worst thing about coronavirus is it's transphobic.

One thing the pandemic makes clear is that biology matters. Risk factors include XY chromosomes, obsesity, age.

Tough but true. You can't self ID yourself out of a virus.

I do know a bit about GDPR, slightly less than zero anyway, and no, a person's feelings about gender are not relevant. However, if this is a truly anonymous survey, GDPR doesn't apply. If.
Which means you can include feelz nonsense but have a less accurate survey.