Zoe has gone woke

They are trying invoke an external thing in the hope that will stop people asking questions.

It says they are following the US standard questionnaire.

This presumably happened when they also stated collecting US data.

Bloody cultural imperialism.

They've released at least two updates since, and not a mention of the failures in data collection and therefore the compromised science.

Maybe if they asked your blood group? I heard a radio article about how when they compared % of each blood group in a community with those who came down with COVID-19 they saw that certain blood typer were under-represented - coincidence or something else? How could this be useful?

Anything not actually useful and just pandering to a lobby group is a load of time wasting crap.

They aren't asking about hormone medication though are they
They are just assuming that anyone who says they are trans is on hormones...
If that's the standard of their data and analysis then they are utterly pointless

That's a really interesting BMJ article, Xantham. I might put it on the Corona stats and data thread.

The more I think about it, the less relevant I think gender identity is.

"It is important for us to understand the role that hormone replacement medications may play in transgender individuals among other things."

What about every other type of medication? Is it important to understand the role that they may play in individuals? Are they collecting that data as well?

Anyway, as discussed above, given that some transgender individuals may not necessarily be accurate when answering a question about sex, collecting information about hormone medication in relation to that sex is also rendered as pointless as the rest of it.

"At a minimum, we urgently call on countries to publicly report the numbers of diagnosed infections and deaths by sex. Ideally countries would also disaggregate their data on testing by sex."

BMJ recognises that not disaggregating the data by biological sex is hindering the fight:

blogs.bmj.com/bmjgh/2020/03/24/sex-gender-and-covid-19-disaggregated-data-and-health-disparities/

Actually, I suppose people with transgender identities may not answer it incorrectly.

Such an interesting point Datun, I hdn't thought about the fact that for people who were actually assigned a sex at birth (because their genitals were ambiguous), the answer to this question might not actually be their true sex. In addition, the question is irrelevant for people who do not have DSDs (who's sex is observed) and might lead to confusion even if the right answer is given. As for transgender people who claim that they have always been the opposite sex to that which they are, it does not matter what the question is, they will answer it incorrectly anyway.

There was someone on the radio this morning from Oxford, developing an NHS app to tell you if you have been near someone with coronavirus.

Maybe this one will be fit for purpose?

(can't see it working either)

Doesn't seem to have been thought through, does it? Busywork. Pointless.

Ah, well.

This was on R4 Today this morning. They want more over 70s.

Perhaps they should have prioritised them in their design?

Kantastic the rage gets exhausting doesnt it?

I am shocked, shocked i tell you, that a high level medical consultant and a bunch of tech bros produced an app to record data and are surprised most of the people using it are not in the high risk group of older people

For all the 'silver surfing' that gets talked about the majority of older people dont use smart phones (about 80%) so they're not going to download an app. Do some basc fucking resarch Zoe

usable as possible unless you know what sex is.

Thanks for that article Manderley

Half (49%) of app users are 18-39 (26% of the population), with the lowest reporting group (9.5%) being aged 60+ who are most at-risk and represent 23.8% of the UK population. The team are focussed on making the experience as usable as possible by all ages, especially those classified as high risk by the NHS.

I don't think I have the fuel to get angry today but juxtapose this passage with the OP. Presumably the "sex assigned" nonsense is one of the first questions asked. Way to go, TRAs.

Yes it says the name in the article

Is the zoe app you are talking about the same as this one?

www.kcl.ac.uk/news/symptom-tracker-app-hits-15-million-uk-users

Are there any other apps collecting (proper, accurate) data for the same purpose (but for grownups)?

Have also uninstalled and asked them to delete my data.

I also mentioned that their methodology was fundamentally flawed if they though gender was important, and did not realise that sex was recorded and not assigned and that I didn't want to be involved in bad science.

Hm. That bullshit response about hormones means I will be deleting the app. What disingenuous crap.

And that is why I won’t be participating.

It all depends on it being accurate.

Fannying about and bowing to those feeling suitably aggrieved by terminology and feels rather than facts makes the data inaccurate.

Plenty of tra say they are female and always have been.

Also if the Zoe app makers believe that sex is assigned at random and can easily be wrong, then there's no point whatsoever collecting that information.

Some people would flat out lie in response to that and deliberately fuck up the data,

Agreed. But they will also lie about being assigned a sex.

Some people would flat out lie in response to that and deliberately fuck up the data, ego being more important than ethics.

Sadly, this is true.