The Sound of Music

Mockers

I get your point but the B&W Minstrels was something else, but granted racist rather than sexist misogyny.

I think they were all great in their time.
Here's one of my favourites.

Huh. What about Grease. Tart yourself up and start smoking if you want to keep your man.

You will pry my love for Calamity Jane from my cold, dead hands. I think Calamity learned to put on convention as a performance, but it didn’t quell her. In the very last scene she’s dressed for a party in women’s clothes, but she’s wearing her old greatcoat over the top.

I love Calamity Jane, and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers.

There's a drinking game where you drink yo every lesbian reference in Calamity Jane, I highly recommend it. You'll be sloshed by the time you get to sing along to 'A Woman's Touch'.

Seven Brides, as someone I know once said, is ideologically unsound but rip roaring good fun.

Don't get me started on Calamity Jane.

Oh, I don't know.

Bill Hickock to Calam [talking about 'Miss' Francis [blokey spelling] Fryer: 'she ain't very good looking!'

Calam [Raising her eyes to the ceiling]: 'That ain't all she ain't!'

Rex Harrison has form. How about his 'why can't a woman be more like a man' song from my fair lady!

Or I will never let a woman in my life:

....'but the songs are lovely' is what they said about the Black & White Minstrel Show.

My objection to Lerner and Lowe is On The Street Where You Live, which is American-English. In My Fair Lady, Jeremy Kemp is In the street where she lives. If he'd been "on" the street, he would have been laying down in the road.

(See also Lloyd-Webber and "Midnight, Not a sound from the pavement, which means two very different things either side of the Atlantic.)

Mockers

It has some lovely songs though. I love "The earth and other minor things". "The night they invented champagne".
I had no idea Andre Previn arranged and conducted the music for MGM.
I know Lerner and Lowe were the composer and Lyricist.

The thing about Gigi is that it is of two "it's times," 1890s Paris and 1950s Hollywood, both characterised by a superficial glamour underneath which as a very seedy world. What people pretended to believe in and what they really believed in were two sides of a debased coin.

Good prog on BBC4 the other night about Seurat's Les Poseuses, which shows the artist's earlier and lucrative work celebrating le belle epoque whilst lifting the curtain on both its production and the hypocricy of the society it depicts.

Oh gosh, yes Gigi is a child.
"The earth and other minor things" is a song for a child. (teen)
Gaston watches her turn from child to lady, it wouldn't be allowed now.

They were of their time though and harmless now if we look at them through modern eyes as a historical perspective.

Michelle thank you so much for the first good laugh I've had today!

Shaw's Pygmalion was inspired by the case of Eliza Armstrong, the 13 year old girl purchased by the Journalist WT Stead. (Since Stead paid her mother and not her father, who had the sole rights to flog her off, Stead was found to have committed no crime.)

And how about Gigi while we're about it. There's Maurice Chevailier off to the park to look for more leeetel gurls.

Well let's face it, Henry Higgins is actually having an emotional affair with Colonel Pickering, the writing is clear on the wall in that one.

Rex Harrison has form. How about his 'why can't a woman be more like a man' song from my fair lady!

I thought that Rolf might have been feigning interest in Liesl in order to find out what the anti-nazi captain was up to.

I like that song because it shows how naive Liesel is and foreshadows what a creep Rolf turns out to be.

I also like that Maria is very much the central character and that her cheerfulness and willingness to go against the grain (the very things the nuns were complaining about in the beginning) turned out to be what saved the day.

Also the songs are brilliant ☺️

In case you’ve never seen it, this is probably the most disturbing - but also hilarious - romantic scene in a famous musical - from Dr Doolittle. Some of the responses to the OP’s tweet of her watching it are funny too .

twitter.com/katiestebbins/status/1173776725177786369?s=21

I watched Annie Get Your Gun this week with my foster children (7 and 5). The eldest was so confused by the ending. She kept saying "but why did she lose on purpose? Because he was in a mood"? I'd forgotten quite how crap the ending was!

I'd love to hear his thoughts on Some Like it Hot.

But, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is the winner on that one.

The nuns singing 'How Do You Solve a Problem Like Maria' on her wedding day was also was a choice moment. And also the captain treating her like a baby when he was trying to woo her in the garden. Ok Sound of Music is tres dodgy. And yet I still love it.

The most glaring change in my having watched it as a child and now, is that I wholeheartedly support the Baroness in sending them all away to school .

Don't get me started on Calamity Jane

I remember being utterly enraged by Annie Get Your Gun when I saw it as a teenager.

Annie deliberately loses a shooting contest with Frank, just 'cos his ego can't accept a woman being better than him.

Gah!

Great message in the film though... Do what is right, not what is easy.

(There's also the sexist message of the Captain and chdren needing a woman to look after them)