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Labour reject Karen Ingala-Smith's membership application

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MrsSnippyPants · 27/03/2020 12:00

James Kirkup in The Spectator

www.spectator.co.uk/article/labour-s-bizarre-decision-to-bar-the-founder-of-counting-dead-women

"In a letter dated March 24th, the Governance and Legal Unit at Labour HQ informed Ingala-Smith that she was not welcome in the party:

‘The information brought to our attention is that you have engaged in conduct online that may reasonably be seen to demonstrate hostility based on gender identity.

Your application for membership of the Labour party has therefore been rejected.’

The letter does not observe any due process by telling Ingala-Smith what the evidence used against her might be, of course. So no one beyond Labour HQ knows what Ingala-Smith has done to ‘demonstrate hostility based on gender identity’, whatever that means."

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HorseRadishFemish · 29/03/2020 08:50

Nice one! Lols chez horse...

Lordfrontpaw · 29/03/2020 08:49

Not ‘we’re having a laugh’?

TedsFederationRep · 29/03/2020 08:46

Their new party slogan should be "Who Cares Who Wins".

DickKerrLadies · 29/03/2020 08:33

Labour ban founder of Counting Dead Women for being able to define who she is counting

There are no words really.

It'd be funny if it wasn't.

Labour showing us once again that they are the party for the men, not for you.

Thinkingabout1t · 29/03/2020 08:19

Did they want her to call it Counting Dead People Who Sometimes Wear Lipstick?
Star

Cuntysnark · 28/03/2020 11:20

Your. Bloody phone

Cuntysnark · 28/03/2020 11:19

Helen Steel is incredible. I’ve listened to DJLippy’s podcast before but it’s still worth a repeated visit. Thank whatever you’re deity is that there’s women like her. And it’s quite a list.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/03/2020 10:59

Much as was the case with Trevor Phillips, I don't want to be part of a political party that has no place in it for Karen Ingala Smith. In this case I am very much judging people by the company they keep and the company they reject.

ListeningQuietly · 28/03/2020 10:54

Thank you R0wan
Very interesting to hear the perspective of somebody who spent a fair bit of time dealing with him.

I still have my fingers and toes crossed that he will undo some of the damage done by magic grandpa.

R0wantrees · 28/03/2020 08:45

Keir is a Human Rights barrister who made his name on the McLibel case
he will not answer questions
but I inherently trust his judgement

McLibel (full documentary)

November 2017
Helen Steel
WPUK 'A Woman's Place is on the Platform'

February 2020 Helen Steel speaks with 'Make More Noise'
DJLippy wrote:
"A podcast covering a range of issues including McLibel and her relationship with an undercover police officer.

Also a history of her clashes with those within the left over her gender critical beliefs including an incident which is yet unreported (I belive) incident kicking off her disquiet.

Also for those following the labour party leadership campaign check out her take on Kier Starmer - who represented her (for free) during the McLibel case"
makemorenoise.libsyn.com/scr-extra-interview-with-helen-steel

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 28/03/2020 07:20

Did they want her to call it Counting Dead People Who Sometimes Wear Lipstick?

If they were elected they'd be answerable to the public, so of course they don't want that. I think Starmer does, but if he wins the leadership who knows if he'll be able to get anything done with the rest of the party kneecapping anyone rude enough to make a suggestion that might appeal to anyone outside their bubble.

Thinkingabout1t · 28/03/2020 01:01

Labour ban founder of Counting Dead Women for being able to define who she is counting

In a nutshell. The whole insane and sorry mess. My only question is why she would want to go near the zombie corpse of what used to be the Labour Party.

Datun · 27/03/2020 21:20

It's pure Marx. ....Groucho, that is.

"I wouldn't want to join a Party that would have someone like me as a member."

Genius.

ListeningQuietly · 27/03/2020 21:00

Toseland
Keir is a Human Rights barrister who made his name on the McLibel case
he will not answer questions
but I inherently trust his judgement

Toseland · 27/03/2020 20:54

But Keir has hidden his stance has he not? He should be asked about it?

ListeningQuietly · 27/03/2020 20:09

I feel so sad that one minority ideology has taken over a mainstream party to the detriment of so many.

I still have my fingers and toes crossed that Keir will be able to row the party back from this insanity under the convenient cover of Covid
but by golly he's going to need thick skin.

DidoLamenting · 27/03/2020 20:05

I thought expelling Trevor Phillips was a new low but the Labour Party just keeps on giving.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 27/03/2020 18:25

It's pure Marx. ....Groucho, that is.

"I wouldn't want to join a Party that would have someone like me as a member."

DidoLamenting · 27/03/2020 16:23

The Labour party has become an irrelevance. Jeremy Corbyn has, even, now descended to claiming that the financial measures put in place to support the population, as a result of the coronavirus epidemic, are a 'victory' for Socialism and the Labour party

That was a corker wasn't it?

Just go away Jeremy. Nobody cares what you have to say about anything.

Lordfrontpaw · 27/03/2020 15:58

Labour is broken.

TeiTetua · 27/03/2020 15:56

Ah, if only she'd called her organization Counting Dead Not-men. Then Labour would have been happy to see her.

R0wantrees · 27/03/2020 15:39

5/3/2020 Maya Oppenheim for The Independent:
'Names of women murdered by men in last year read out in parliament
‘This is unfortunately not a number that goes down, but is in fact a number that is going up,’ says Jess Phillips'
(extract)

"The latest Femicide Census revealed 149 women were killed by 147 men in the UK in 2018 – with almost two thirds of the victims killed by their current or ex-partner.

Frontline service providers raised concerns about the figures and argued government cuts to domestic abuse services are putting women’s lives at risk.

The annual study, which started in 2009, tracks the numbers of women killed by men to show the killings are not isolated incidents.

Karen Ingala Smith, chief executive of Nia, the charity behind the census which delivers services for women and children who have experienced male violence, said: “There is a high degree of normalisation of men’s violence against women and no end of excuses or rationales assumed and extended to perpetrators often without foundation.” (continues)

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/women-murdered-men-femicide-jess-phillips-parliament-a9378056.html

MN webchat:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/mumsnet_live_events/3838243-Webchat-with-Femicide-Census-co-founder-Karen-Ingala-Smith-Wednesday-March-4-at-1pm

Needmoresleep · 27/03/2020 15:30

Kirkuk’s clarity is exceptional, and he is right.

Do senior Labour figures read the Spectator?

terryleather · 27/03/2020 15:26

Whenever the term “gender-identity” is used, just substitute with “male-entitlement”.

So much this. So fucking much this!

TedsFederationRep · 27/03/2020 15:09

No room in the Labour Party for Trevor Phillips and now no room for Karen Ingala Smith either.

That corner it is painting itself into is getting smaller and smaller.

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