Labour reject Karen Ingala-Smith's membership application

Glad to hear it. My grandfather was a labour man - he refused to accept dole money when he had to give up work because of health issues (related to him being a soldier in WW2) because he said there was people worse off than him.

Angela Raynor likely to be deputy leader.....that in itself does not bode well for those of us keen to see the idea of Self ID consigned to the long grass.

The influence that TRAs have within Labour Party (as with all parties) goes back a long way.

Vulvamort's 'Thread of Threads' is a very important reference to the 2003 GRA debates & roles that MPs took:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1177699186361458688.html

relevent threads:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398127-Stephen-Whittle-influential-TRA-asserts-We-know-we-have-Labour-behind-this-one-so-will-simply-do-our-best-to-get-them-elected-Corbyn-seems-to-confirm-this-at-Pink-News

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3233421-Home-Affairs-Committee-Hate-crime-enquiry-Newspaper-editors-interviewed

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3237268-James-Kirkup-article-Why-are-some-MPs-trying-to-shut-down-the-transgender-debate

I think anyone is welcome if they're willing to lie, and good at doing so convincingly. I don't think that's a good way to run a party.

(I really do mean anyone. Proven awful human being with a history of mistreating others? Probably fine at the moment as long as you mouth the correct platitudes.)

Those people are still there.

They just need a party worthy of them.

True. I just can’t believe what they are now. My dad was on the local committees - all the town ‘businessmen’ were - lawyers, business owners, architects, vets, engineers - people who thought society needed to be fair and keep families and workers from being in need (house above their heads, food on the table). Now I don’t think any of these would be welcome.

Labour are utterly irrelevant and will be be for years to come, so it doesn't really matter what stupid things they continue to do.

The Labour Party is dying a death with all this. Is that the plan? What fools they are - they obviously know nothing about the history of the party. It is so very different to the party of fairness and equality when I was a child.

Thanks for the share token.

Angela Raynor likely to be deputy leader.....that in itself does not bode well for those of us keen to see the idea of Self ID consigned to the long grass.

What is likely to happen is that the next decade or so is taken up with a monumental struggle for control of the party. The Momentum fringes of the party have already taken control of many aspects...they'll not go quietly.

I snorted at that bit. Perhaps counseling would help? Or someone could hand out binkies to clutch?

Thanks for the share token, especially for this bit:
a result deemed so damaging to some on the left that last week members of Corbyn’s office briefly discussed whether to extend his leadership by invoking the chaos caused by the the coronavirus.

Share token

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/07586f70-7019-11ea-95ac-727c046e7b5d?shareToken=b90af0868bc24017a58da59e1c53b1c6

I really don't know how to go about getting past/rid of Momentum, but the party is going nowhere until that happens.

If the Labour party can't recover where is the opposition party to come from? I don't think even the Conservatives welcome a situation where there is no effective opposition party

The problem is that the Labour party is utterly riven. And Momentum now have such a grip on local CLPs and councils - having de-selected long standing MPs/councillors, and inserted their own members.They are like a crazed, one eyed cult.The 'old' Labour party is buried underneath.

Starmer promising a scorched earth policy on the loony left

Do you have a share token? Or could you copy and paste, please?

I honestly don't know. No one in their right mind would wish to live in a one party state and yet, that's effectively what we are at present - CV19 aside.

I try to console myself by believing that sensible traditional Labour still exists in communities and that a proper grassroots movement will grow again but it would have to start a new party from scratch and that might take too long.

From The Times article.

Rebecca Long Bailey, the left-wing leadership candidate, and Lisa Nandy, his other rival, are expected to be offered jobs but will be kept out of Starmer’s core team

If the Labour party can't recover where is the opposition party to come from? I don't think even the Conservatives welcome a situation where there is no effective opposition party.

If you think that RLB and LN will get on Keir's front bench based on their Corbyn era performance I think and hope that you are in for a shock.

I won't be in for a shock at all. The Labour Party is so far removed from its traditional voter base and its roots that I'm long past caring what it does.

It is a dead party. Keir Starmer stood by and watched it die and did nothing to save it while there was still a chance. He wasn't the only one, to be fair, but he is deluded if he thinks that it can be resurrected now.

He'll offer RLB and LN places in his shadow cabinet as a nod to unity and as an attempt to appease Momentum in the hope that it buys him some time to establish his leadership but it won't make a blind bit of difference.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-leadership-race-keir-starmers-scorched-earth-plan-to-roast-left-zthbw2dqz

Starmer promising a scorched earth policy on the loony left.

KS needs to put together the best Front Bench to hold Johnson to account.Inner Labour factions are dust in that situation

Honestly! Labour is finished - for a long, long time.....Any hope that Kier Starmer is going to ride to the rescue is mis-placed, in my honest view. And any serious belief he is going to turn the TRA ideological capture on its head is deluded. Labour cannot be trusted.

And the crisis that is coronavirus - and the government's fulsome response - will further weaken any credibility that Labour has or ever had. Even Jeremy Corbyn is reduced to claiming the government's response as his own victory. Only the evangelically faithful still believe. Kier Starmer is tainted by association.

Testing
At the moment Keir is a candidate
he can say and do nothing about what goes on at Labour HQ

Teds
If you think that RLB and LN will get on Keir's front bench based on their Corbyn era performance I think and hope that you are in for a shock.

KS needs to put together the best Front Bench to hold Johnson to account.
Inner Labour factions are dust in that situation

Not really Dido just the usual wokescolds on Twitter turning on one of their own. Person was press officer or similar I think. They post a lot of really creepy sexualised things about female MPs which was completely fine apparently, but talking to Dehenna Davison is the line that mustn't be crossed. You'd need a heart of stone not to laugh. These are the people that Lisa Nandy etc defer to about women's rights but Karen Ingala Smith is a no-no? Give me strength.

In any case, if Keir Starmer wins the leadership - and the majority of the postal votes will be in by now so the result will already be known to some in the Party - there is every chance he will offer a place on the front bench to his rivals, Rebecca Long-Bailey and Lisa Nandy, where they will be in a position to influence future party policy.

RLB and LN have already decided on the definition of "woman" and it has nothing to do with biological reality. They have already slandered WPUK and LGB Alliance as hate groups too, even if RLB - a lawyer, FGS - later claimed she didn't recall signing up to that.

New Labour Party policy will not differ from old Labour Party policy in that respect.

A woman's place is wherever he wants it to be.

he will not answer questions
but I inherently trust his judgement

This is not how democracy can or should work.

The majority of Labour Party members seem to prioritise transgender ideology over being able to define women.

That's ridiculous and they won't get my vote until they change.

But the idea that we get a gender critical leader by stealth is even more ridiculous. This argument must be heard in public.

Any more details DrudgeJedd?

I've just seen that one of the people behind the Labour trans pledge has been cancelled online & reported to compliance for having a zoom chat with a Tory MP.
What a bunch of sociopaths, I don't think Starmer can make this party electable again, I doubt anyone can in its present form.