Women who sell or exchange sex and coronavirus

I realize that this may come as a shock, but people can go on a date without shagging. Not that going on dates would be a good idea right now, for the same reasons that meeting up with your mates for a drink or going to your cousin's house for dinner would not be a good idea, but hey, we all know that's not what you meant.

@fckmmsnt
You must concede, though, that @AnnaClick is really breaking the Nordic Model mould by setting up a poll to ASK sex workers what their urgent needs are at this time here www.click.scot/voice/
That is quite a step forward, perhaps, one day, someone will ask sex workers what they think about the Nordic Model too?

Well, now you know why we will not be dropping the feminist analysis. Not even if people whose chosen screennames are telling us all to f*ck off would really, really like us to.

Adultwork have already messaged workers about moving to online work btw. From what I've heard from in person sex workers, there have been no clients for 2 weeks. All brothels and agencies have shut too. If you aren't demanding that dating apps are closing then I don't think you can demand that adultwork closes too

@TheProdigalKittensReturn
My apologies, I assumed you meant Mumsnet is a "feminist forum" - this is the first time I have seen the new format and it took me an age to find the reference to "feminist chat" even after @AmericanAdventure pointed it out.

Anna's org, click.scot, supports the NM (Which unfortunately many of you do to) but it is opposed by pretty much every human rights, health and sex worker led org in the world. Sex worker led orgs in Scotland were excluded from taking part in the project and operate on a tiny fraction of the budget of Click.scot. Sex worker led orgs are also doing the bulk of support to sex workers in the form of cash during this crisis. The vast majority of sex workers I know do not trust click.scot

Why post in feminism. If OP wants to find women to help surely she would have been better served widening the net a bit and posting in chat?

Excellent point.

@GayeDalton if you or anyone else you know has been kidding themselves about that and booking and keeping appointments it is time you stopped

Thanks for the lecture, I'm self isolating and the state of my hair is the last of my worries.

Maybe you should be telling off the men who are buying sex from women who are so hard up they have no other way to feed their families?

As power said, it didn't stop the men with syphilis spreading that about.

And I agree, this thread should be moved but over to DadsNet ideally because it's not the women in FWR putting prostitutes at risk.

Perhaps you should contact Adultwork.com and Vivastreet and encourage them to disable the messaging service for the men on there and the women offering sex? They could email the escorts to say they can only do cam work for the foreseeable.

Short shrift for Anna?

Good.

Not a fan of MN?

So no evidence

Thought not

If you want to support sex workers directly (I can agree that the OPs org is doing nothing despite having £1m in funding), plese donate directly to sex worker led orgs. SWARM and umbrella lane are both fundraising. SWARM have helped 65 workers already. Direct cash to workers.

"For me this just highlights further how the "sex work is work" chant is just BS." how so? Surely this whole situation proves that it is work as sex workers have lost their incomes.

To the people saying what about PPE, Sick leave etc, sex workers working in brothels have no workers rights due to the current laws. Mumsnet (|and click|) support laws that ensure that this is the case. This is why workers have been fighting for full decrim. You can't have workers' rights if your workplace is criminalised. For independent workers, the issues are the same as the issues facing all other self employed workers ie £94.25 a week isn't enough to live on

Please note that I told Gaye that this was a feminist forum some time ago. The link at the top of the page also says "womens rights".

Reading is fundamental, etc.

I'm not prepared to take seriously the views of anyone who is so determined to conflate hairdressers and their customers with prostitutes and their punters.

@AmericanAdventure
I completely agree with you, I had no idea it was posted in "feminism" - perhaps it could be moved?

I can’t see the bit that compares hairdressers and “ sex workers “ ( or women abused through prostitution) . Where is it ?

Why post in feminism. If OP wants to find women to help surely she would have been better served widening the net a bit and posting in chat?

@IONA
This is probably the most that we know about the transmission of COVID19
www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prepare/transmission.html
..all of which applies equally to sex workers and hairdressers (among others) except that sex workers usually see fewer clients at a higher rate each.

@powershowerforanhour
I thought I made it clear, when I say:
"Nobody wants to buy direct contact because of COVID19"
I am not talking about what I expected to happen, or what I thought would happen, I am talking about what has actually happened, and the part that might concern you is that leaves an estimated 40,000 human beings in the UK without an income. Some, of course, have savings, some have other recourse, but a significant number were already in dire straits financially and are now in the position where they have no money to buy essentials like food and accomodation.

(Sorry about the blank post)

In the specific context of COVID19 the risk of transmission is near identical in the context of sex workers and hairdressers

Could you post a link to that research please @GayeDalton ?

@powershowerforanhour

@OhHolyJesus
In the specific context of COVID19 the risk of transmission is near identical in the context of sex workers and hairdressers, and if you, or anyone you know, has been kidding themselves about that and booking appointments it is time you stopped.