Controversial networks (considered by some to be "cults") mumsnet readers need to be aware of

Thanks for the flowers Oncewasblueandyellowtwo

very much appreciated :)

I think linking gender ideology capture to one specific group or person is a mistake.

I agree 100%

I am not claiming that this particular network is the sole root of all the current insanity

They are simply one root of the tree, an important root nonetheless, not least because their beliefs contain nodes and connections to various other groups active currently, especially re sex cults and goddess cults.

Also their various websites provide a gold mine of gender related insanity and information about sexual grooming and bait and switch

Have to go and do some chores now but will post some more later :)

With all due respect, do you have involvement with mental health services? I would maybe check in with your CPN if you have one, GP or crisis team.

Now that's not very hepful is it?

Are you a mental health professional by any chance?

sorry MossyMoss

proof-read woman prooof read

OP I get it. This is relevant.

Thank you so much and bless you heart MayMoss

I am extremely used to being gaslighted and I have grown fairly resiliant but it is quite stressful given my current, already very stressful situation to be on the receiving end of gaslighting posts here

Please, please save as much as you can in case this thread gets reported and deleted.

There are some erriously interesting connections and grooming processes going on in relation to this network

I could write a book about the Stepford Wives style grooming promoted by this cult.

I was going to do so but now is not the time for delaying. I do not know how much time I have, fingers crossed I'll be OK but I cannot make assumptions thus sharing so please forgive the sprawling, possibly incoherent tone, just getting it out there in the hope that allies and thinkers will make use of the data, some of which may disappear so take screen shots, archive and think, always think :)

apologies, clarification, do not click on links within my last 2 links, they will take you away from the archive.is site and onto a possibly / probably dodgy website

some more current links

Miss Martindale / Mary Guillermin owns a retreat centre in California where she runs events about women's empowerment and LGBTQ empowerment
........................................

Free Performance/Exhibition Retreat Space

by MESSENGER STAFF
L. A. band Cousin Kate performed in July at the SunMoon Retreat Center during a fundraiser for the LGBTQ community. Photo courtesy of Mary Guillermin

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200309200629/messengermountainnews.com/news/free-performance-exhibition-retreat-space/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200309200629/messengermountainnews.com/news/free-performance-exhibition-retreat-space/

Thirty to 40 people braved the fierce 110-degree temperatures on Sunday, June 25, to support Cousin Kate and the Lesbian and Gay Psychotherapy Association in the second concert and first fundraiser held at the newly-opened SunMoon Retreat Center on Cheney Drive. The event was one of several throughout 2017 to mark the 25th anniversary of LAGPA, an LA-based organization for LGBT psychotherapists and allies that serves the gay community.

Mary Guillermin, owner and host, said, “The sun blazed all day and it was very warm even under the oaks in the Sun Temple, but we alternated between enjoying the concert and escaping into the cool indoors to get refreshments and enjoy my SunMoon card readings.”

Guillermin will be hosting regular Full Moon Gatherings for women beginning on the actual night of the full moon. Details can be found on Meetup.comalong with her new group, “WonderWoman’s Island Society Recreated.”

Guillermin’s ambition is to host other events such as art shows and offers the use of the Sun Temple free to interested artists.

To contact Guillermin: (310) 422-7915; or [email protected]. For more information about Cousin Kate: cousinkate.com; and the work of LAGPA: lagpa.org.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200309201115/messengermountainnews.com/news/sun-and-songs-at-sunmoon-retreat-center/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200309201115/messengermountainnews.com/news/sun-and-songs-at-sunmoon-retreat-center/

She is also significantly invovled in a psychotherapy organisation that has a UK presence, the Pellin Institute, UK

"SunMoon Archetype Healing: A New Paradigm”

Mary also hosts a Pellin Coaching: LA training course at the Retreat Center, which she co-founded with Peter Fleming, Director of the Pellin Institute, UK.

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She is also involved in what appears to be some dodgy get rich quick project (could not get these links to save in the way back machine - but have saved them in the archive - I would suggest that readers do not click on links as they will take you directly to the site)

archive.is/AUdh7
archive.is/SLWhx

The following report is also interesting

How I was drawn to life in a cult

From the Bradford Telegraph & Argus

First published Tuesday 16th Feb 1999

archive.thisisbradford.co.uk/1999/02/16/166172.html

With her hair pulled back in a bun, her full-skirt and blouse, Helen
Gilmour looks every inch a sensible, middle-aged woman. It is hard to
believe that she once gave up a promising career to join a cult whose
members dressed in Victorian crinolines, and hosted dormitory romps for women dressed as schoolgirls. Now she gives advice on cults to people in the Bradford area.

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20180905111050/newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.religion.newage/2005-11/msg00000.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20180905111050/newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Talk/talk.religion.newage/2005-11/msg00000.html

some current websites, archived, that are either front organisations or strongly linked to this network

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200229175705/thefemininityproject.com/about-mary-guillermin/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200229175705/thefemininityproject.com/about-mary-guillermin/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20181203141912/deanic.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20181203141912/deanic.com/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190815123347/priestessofholywisdom.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190815123347/priestessofholywisdom.wordpress.com/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190902163340/apronstrings.racemochridhe.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190902163340/apronstrings.racemochridhe.com/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20191209205947/groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_elfs/info" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20191209205947/groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/the_elfs/info

(linked to as a “friend” on the dean.com site)
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20190629090417/northernway.org/sitemap.shtml/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20190629090417/northernway.org/sitemap.shtml/

www.facebook.com/A-Chapel-of-Our-Mother-God-140959892602077/

www.facebook.com/mary.guillermin

www.facebook.com/A-Chapel-of-Our-Mother-God-140959892602077/

www.facebook.com/deanic/

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20171104051915/www.pellin.org.uk/About/Pellin.aspx" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20171104051915/www.pellin.org.uk/About/Pellin.aspx

also current links to various sex cults of extreme concern

OP I’m trying to follow... can you post a summary of your point, maybe 1 or 2 sentences.

Thanks for the friendly post, I will try my best

Obscure "matriarchal" cult with origins going back at least to the 1980s

Appeared in various feminist publications going back ot the 80s (sometimes just advertising) concerned with Goddess spirituality and the return of the divine feminine

Claims to be empowering to women and to teach females about femininity through St Trinnians style role playing involving spanking and other methods of corporal punishment. Bizarre beliefs about femininity and womanhood.

2 people involved as leaders one MtT one possibly female although some commentators claim also MtF (I think one female one MtT is the most likely)

One leader known as Miss Martindale and a zillion other names, was convicted for assauting a female in a non-consensual caning incident.

Miss Martindale now working as a child psychotherapist in the US

sprawling current web presence currently involving psychotherapy organisations, women's empowerment website and LGBTI+ groups

there is so much more

I'll make this easy, I have posted a lot here and readers may not wish to trawl through it all

www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUKigKY0grs

At approx 1.05 minutes in the mysterious Sister Angelina can be seen. Only partially see, because she is very sacred and cannot be shown. Or something.

Astute readers will notice that Sister Angelina, even though hidden by her shawl and strange camera angles, has incredibly wide shoulders, heavy brows and a very deep voice.

For the record, if this was a community of people, trans or not, involved in spanking and role playing I really couldn't care less. Crack on

My interests in this group are to do with

scamming / bait and switch

the promotion of bizarre beliefs around sex and gender

sexual grooming and exploitation

therapy cults

far right political movements

the infiltration of feminist networks by women hating groups

bizarre beliefs about femininity and womanhood

bizarre beliefs about non-binary / multiple selves

the use of the internet by cults

just off the top of my head

If you are interested in sexual grooming and brainwashing then I think this cult is an essential one to check out.

The videos appear to show happy adults, enthusiastically embracing role play, spanking and playful escapades. It all looks very British and eccentric and to naive persons may even appear charming.

To buy into the "jolly hockey sticks" / St Trinnians narrative would be a serious mistake in my opinion.

This is something both sinister and fascinating to anyone concerned about the development of discourses around sex and gender identity.

Mary Guillermin LMFT - Therapist, formerly Miss Martindale and many other names, married the famous late film director John Guillermin, many years her senior.

Interview with her here

She was convicted of assaulting a female follower as stated in one of my earlier links

How can it be that such a person is working as a child psychotherapist?

The cult is highly active today

One of the things I find fascinating about this cult is that, although they advocate a luddite existence, free of modern technology, they embraced the internet, created various early computer games, and now have a significant web presence.

Possibly the most important aspect of this cult is their similarity to many pseudo-feminist cults that promote the divine feminine, the red tent movement and queer / non-binary TRA agendas.

they also promote the idea of multiple selves that resonates with bot hte non-binary movement and the multipe personality / DID therapy cults.

I'm not sure that MN readers really do need to be aware of a weird lesbian cult that existed in 1980s Ireland

If you had read my links and checked out the videos you would see that at least one of the lesbians, the "spiritual leader" is in fact trans

The absolutely bonkers beliefs around gender and the infiltration of feminist publications, the far right connections and therapy cult associations are worthy of attention surely?

but on the other hand it offers a diversion from worrying about the pandemic.

there's that as well.

Thge far right influence is also intersting to me

intersted readers may find this article helpful

The Sunday Telegraph, 3rd January 1993

Neo-Nazi leaflets found in gracious ladies' academy where caning was on the curriculum

Inside the secret world of the sisters of St Bride's

by Richard Pendry and Helena de Bertodano

<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200229175659/www.worldofspectrum.org/interviews2/stbrides-st930103.txt" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20200229175659/www.worldofspectrum.org/interviews2/stbrides-st930103.txt