Controversial networks (considered by some to be "cults") mumsnet readers need to be aware of

I mean, did they just get tired of the whole matriarchal mother goddess thing and reinvent themselves as a paid-for sort of Victorian fetish community? And what is the relationship with the 'St Trinian's' style caning scene going on somewhere in English suburbia in your first set of links? Is this 'Miss Martindale' character the link between all of these?

If you check out some of my earlier posts you will find that Tyrell / Martindale / aka various other names is still operating various facebook pages and websites themed on "god the mother' and an apparently "matriarchal" religion called Deanism aka Filianism

as with all these scams it is a synchretic hodgepodge of Buddhism, Hinduism, astrology, sci-fi, bizarre beliefs about sex, gender and femininity with an added dollop of MLM / get rich quick and dodgy psychotherapy

arghh please excuse my spelling mistakes and typos, am quite tired

I've just skimmed some of your links, OP, and was a bit confused about the chronology of the various Burtonport reinventions. Are the 'Rhenne'/'Maids of the Silver Sisterhood' group in Burtonport the same people as the 'Victorian' women who seem to have lived in the same house around the same time?

Thank you for your important question. I do not know whether they are all the same people but certainly the same faces / people appear throughout the various metamorphases, usually with diffeent names, costumes and roles.

In one case one woman who appears to be a central person to the cult appears in a subsequent video, filmed years later, as an independent woman imersing herself in the the schoolgirl exerience for the first time and providing a testimony of how it felt for her.

This is extremely typical of certain types of cult involved in long cons. Long cons are criminal MOs including actors, theatre, and the creation of alternative realities. Long cons are actually forms of participatory theatre in which the only member of the audiaence is the "mark" (victims).

It should come as no surprise to learn that cults use theatre, conjouring, sleight of hand and the creation of alternative realities to exploit their victims.

What makes cult a little different to a typical long con is that there are multiple victims who are coerced (often without their knowledge) into acting as shills(a much overused work in conspiracy theorist circles), flying monkeys and human assets for criminals.

"I mean, did they just get tired of the whole matriarchal mother goddess thing and reinvent themselves as a paid-for sort of Victorian fetish community? And what is the relationship with the 'St Trinian's' style caning scene going on somewhere in English suburbia in your first set of links? Is this 'Miss Martindale' character the link between all of these?"

The links need to be examined closely but Miss Martindale or whatever her name is (press reports of her conviction for caning / assaulting a follower list her name as Tyrell I think - will check) is definitely a constant presence in all of these controversial communities.

And have direct family contact with a cult which was very damaging to all

I am so sorry to hear this littlebrowndog

If someone punches, stabs or shoots another person the police can get involved. If someone befriends someone, turns them against their friends and family and exploits them ruthlessley, very often the police, social services, etc. tend not to be able to act because of current safeguarding structures.

Unless the vulnerable who is being exploited complains to the police or social services they will not act in my experience. Possibly the only exception is in relation to county lines, an interseting subject as the way the cults operate has many similarities with county lines, more on this later.

It may be that through demonstrating the similarities with county lines that we can change policies? This is something I have spent some time thinking about but I need help with it.

This is very interesting hood, thanks for posting. I'm not able to look at all the links just yet because I don't have time, but also as I read the posts, I'm starting to see similarities between this TIM and someone my father knew (also TIM) when I was a kid. It gives me a very odd feeling that I had from that person and I'm not ready to go too into it. Can't say much more either as it's outing (and I like my username so don't want to find another!), but keep going with this.

I am only a PM away if you would like to discuss this further, no pressure, only what you feel comfortable with of course

I wonder if any of the agricultural folk way down under have anything about this, or if not, if they'll pick up on your links and make a thread there.

Sorry, I very much want to understand but am not getting it. I may simply be tired and stressed so forgive my ineptutude if so

Take good care, hood. Several of us here happy to help if you want to chat, I'm sure.

I cannot tell you how grateful I am for this thank you so much

Cult dynamics are very much key to the ground level operation of a lot of what is occuring.
I'm not sure I've quite cottoned on to why they would be able to effect such root and branch institutional capture, and I suspect there may be other dynamics in play there.

If readers would like some insights into how cult dynamics are being used to control the masses this books is incredibly helpful

www.amazon.co.uk/Nothing-True-Everything-Possible-Adventures/dp/0571338526/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1A6ORY7D9CLK5&keywords=nothing+is+true+and+everything+is+possible&sprefix=nothing+is+true%2Caps%2C558&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1584438102&sr=8-1

Part of the book is about the writer, at the time a journalist and media professional working with Russian state media channels, investigates a mysterious cult linked to the deaths of 2 Russian models, one of them very famous.

One of the models had, by strange coincindence, attended a photoshoot on the subject of "Amazon women" (as in Amazon warriors) prior to meeting the author.

The Amazon women thing is a common theme that, just like the Jack the Ripper theme, connects apparently disparate networks. It connects the Aristasia cult with other cults that use Jungian arrchetypal themes as part of their MOs.

I suggest that it may be important to reflect upon the significance of these common themes and ask ourselves some questions, for example

Are these themes

1. coincidences with no meaningful significance

1. themes that indicate network connections / cooperative enterprises between cults that evolved independently and are cross-fertilising their ideas

1. themes that arise due to a shared evolutionary branch on the cultic tree

1. themes that arise due to convergent evolution of cultic networks - basically, let's say re Jack the Ripper for example, the JtR thing may indicate something to do with hatred of women and maybe that is the sole connection? Is there some other connection?

1. some other possibility

So what I am wanting to do here is to create a database and knowledge base where we can use our minds to reflect upon what might be going on in a dynamic and creative way

A commitment towards retaining the capacity to think is essential as the effects of the various mind viruses that are associated with this issue are to prevent rational thinking

We have to be open to not knowing, not drawing premature conclusions and to just trying to exercise and develop our cognitive capacities together.

I sugges that allowing ourselves to have provisional hypotheses about what might be going on and to subjecting these hypotheses to testing is the way forward

Although the subject matter is extremely disturbing and otherwise diversionary and distracting it is important to allow ourselves to think creatively together about these complex issues

I just wanted to post to let everyone know that, so far, I'm OK and to thank you for the posts, which I am excited and inspired by. It is going to take me a while just to reply to some of the brilliant posts here and I'll be on the case soon :)

I had a bit of a scary adventure yesterday and due to anxiety over a bus journey, ended a 60 minute work out with a 2.5 hour fast walk.

As I got up at 3.30 am yesterday I ended up falling asleep early evening yesterday

There is so much I want to share but I had to get up early to shop today and I just need to have some breakfast, do come cleaning, maybe a little nap, and normal service will be resumed :)