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Glasgow M&S Changing room debacle

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Lordfrontpaw · 13/03/2020 14:37

Now I can't quite get my head around this. I must be missing something. Please note this was two men, no claims of them being anything other than two men.

So - 2 men wanted to use the changing room in the ladies clothes section because (just the) one was trying on trousers.

A member of the M&S team then told him: “I can’t stop you from using it,”

One was told by a member of the public that it was for women only to “try on bras”

While in the changing room, they heard the member of the public say, “I wouldn’t want to get my t**s out in front of other men.

It is then claimed the M&S staff member laugh and agreed before saying, “we have to allow it because of all this new stuff."

The couple complained to a manager instore who told them that she would reiterate to staff that fitting rooms were unisex. They also complained in writing to the store and are now looking to escalate their complaint further. (of course they are)

The men said that while they don't identify as women, if they had, then the negative comments they heard from women could have driven them to suicide

One said “I could have been a non-binary or trans person, they don’t know that.”

M&S apologise

www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/news/18302422.amp/

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koshkatt · 13/03/2020 15:07

What a pair of creepy bastards. Shock

I feel terribly sorry for the staff who will now be discplined.

Languishingfemale · 13/03/2020 15:02

Bleurgh - these men are utter creeps. On another thread someone has pointed out that they had to leave the men's changing rooms and seek out those in women's underwear?
No (real) women anywhere have demanded that M & S hand over lingerie changing rooms to men. It's just men without boundaries who demand (and have been given access) to changing rooms where women are undressing.
So pleased that I no longer shop there. Hope M & S appreciate their new dodgy customers.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/03/2020 14:49

In my day they most likely would have been described as 'wee nyaffs' (nb translated, this is not an insult based on sex, sexuality, race or gender etc)

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Lordfrontpaw · 13/03/2020 14:48

I suspect that M&S (and JL, Primark, etc etc etc) will be doing a lot of apologising before this is all sorted. Then they will be doing a lot more to the customers who have voted with their feet.

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thegirlwhowaited · 13/03/2020 14:46

I tell everyone who will listen about their rights disappearing and men stamping their feet to get their own way.

It comes as a shock to most.

I leave them with little outraged purses mouths.

It is getting to be my favourite hobby.

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 13/03/2020 14:45

What 'views' are these men even complaining about?! They were allowed to use the changing room - did the staff member not fawn over them enough, or was she just being too female? What nonsense.

fascinated · 13/03/2020 14:43

I feel really alone here. Nobody talks about this in real life.

EwwSprouts · 13/03/2020 14:43

On the basis of the M&S staff's response I would suspect it was either an assumption on the part of the presumably adult human female customer that the men were trans identifying hence 'other men' or they actually said 'I wouldn't want to get my t**s out in front of the men'.

Whatever. M&S should not be apologising for anything other than the removal of all single-sex changing rooms.

Lordfrontpaw · 13/03/2020 14:42

I really don't know whether to laugh o cry I really don't.

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fascinated · 13/03/2020 14:40

I can believe that this happened. What a mess. Scotland has gone from being deeply homophobic to utterly woke in one generation (although tbh I wonder if the enthusiasm for trans rights isn’t actually down to internalised homophobia ). What hasn’t changed is the misogyny.