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Effects of corona virus on women

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 09:28

Just thinking about the ways the virus and measures taken to combat it will effect women. The first thing that come to mind is that if children need time off school/ elderly people need caring for, it'll disproportionatly be women providing that care and probably taking time off work to do it. The second things is the way isolation and domestic abuse will correlate. Women in violent and abusive relationships will be trapped at home with their abuser in an increasingly tense claustrophobic environment. No chance of even escaping to a friends or him going for a walk to calm down. I can imagine that a lot of women will experience their first episode of violence if a long lockdown is initiated. It's also a controlling abusers dream situation. I have a friend whose husband is extremely controlling and does anything he can to limit and control her movements. He's basically got her imprisoned inside atm and won't let her go out til CV is over - for her own safety, of course Hmm. Shockingly there's no need for him to self isolate yet, but her and their kid absolutely must be in the house 24/7. It's like all his Christmases have come at once. It's the perfect excuse for abusers to isolate their partners from friends, family, maybe even a way to force them to give up work. And worst of all I don't even know if these effects can be mitigated.

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fascinated · 13/03/2020 14:17

I was thinking about this.

Am also braced for a litany of complaints about how working mums are causing all the issues by not being at home to facilitate school closures.....

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 13:24

That's interesting plan, I didn't know women and men were equally likely to get it but less likely to die.

Sophecles I can well believe that a lot of men shirk domestic tasks by "working" and pretending to do over time. My own dp is terrible for this. There's always some very urgent email that suddenly needs responding to as soon as a nappy needs changing at the weekend. He's good at housework and does love the kids, but is always looking for an excuse to be upstairs on his laptop and "work" is very convenient for that. Does my fucking head in.

I agree with whoever said not to wean off breast milk if possible. If everyone goes mental and stockpiles formula so that it runs put you'll be very glad to have milk on tap!

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picklemewalnuts · 13/03/2020 13:13

It's been interesting in my house to see how clueless DH is about basic protective measures. DS was self isolating, but DH and DS1 both went in his room, emptied his bin etc. It's clear now DS didn't have CV, but he could have and DH and DS1 did not know the protocols.

It seems to be something women find out about more than men.

More generally, every negative event disproportionately impacts the most marginal people. So yes.

PlanDeRaccordement · 13/03/2020 12:59

I second the vitamin D recommendation. It’s essential for immune systems and we are all probably low due to just coming through winter.

SophocIestheFox · 13/03/2020 12:55

I was thinking about this, too, though I hadn’t made the link with domestic violence until you pointed that out, grabthar Sad

I think you’re right in terms of the mental load. At my workplace, those staff who can have to work from home at the moment, and the complaining from some men is epic. There are a number of them who apparently rely on using the excuse of work to get them out of all child and domestic related issues, and they are Not Happy! They’re having to take children to school, and cook dinners and all sorts.

The women with young children are mostly coming across frazzled and talking about stockpiling gin.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/03/2020 12:54

I had a panic over feeding and cosleeping with my toddler and all this; actually when I first start to get sick it's highly likely that he's already been exposed to the virus no matter how much we are washing hands etc. So I'm going to be providing him with extra antibodies which ever of us gets sick soonest.

The areola apparently absorbs things like viruses etc and the breasts create the antibodies in response. Supposed to have evolved from our immune system.

Please do make sure you're taking vitamin d and get the baby drops for baby though. We need extra when feeding and the nhs recommendation is for bf babies too. There's a vit d good spray from h and b or amazon. Good Vit d levels have been shown to be benificial in viral chest infections.

PlanDeRaccordement · 13/03/2020 12:54

The data showed just as many women caught the virus as men but men were almost twice as likely to die. I did also read that more men were smokers than women. But no ones sure yet how much being a smoker would affect the death rate.

Yes, women need to make sure their affairs are in order including their partners. We all know how men can procrastinate paperwork!

I think advice is that if one person in household gets sick, the whole household has to isolate. So, it would be very difficult to stay away from each other. Luckily I have older teens and they almost live in their rooms.

A good point is that while flu usually takes the very young and elderly, this virus is not attacking children. It appears, the younger you are the less your chances of dying and more likely you’ll have mild symptoms. So it may not be as much nursing as say, chicken pox. Fingers crossed it stays that way!

My sister has cancelled visiting grandparents over Easter. She doesn’t want to endanger the grandparents.

Thelnebriati · 13/03/2020 12:51

I have friends who work and send money home to support (usually elderly) relatives abroad, if anything happens to them, their relatives will starve.

Toadsrevisited · 13/03/2020 12:48

@crazydiamond222 4 months is the worst part of bfeeding by far. They are fussy, hungry and much more aware. It will get better soon. I'd suggest avoid early weaning because breast milk is always available, never runs out, comforting if they're ill, great for immune system etc.

crazydiamond222 · 13/03/2020 12:44

Thanks Neuro, the link is really helpful Smile. It looks like I should try to track down a mask to feed in if I do get ill.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 12:43

Also the advice to stay away from other family members. I breastfeed and cosleep with my 1 year old so that's not really possible for me! It's definitely a worry about getting sick. And you're right, SAHM can't exactly just take the day off sick!

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 12:42

There's some debate though isn't there over whether women are less likely to get it because of biological reasons, or because the data for that has come from countries where women's freedom and movement is much more restricted that mens. Also countries where many many more men smoke.

But regardless of why they get it, yes I suspect a fair few women may find themselves widowed and may not currently have the legal protections they need for that eventuality.

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Seventyone72seventy3 · 13/03/2020 12:39

As someone who is currently working from home while looking after three kids while DH is shut away in his office, I endorse this message!

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/03/2020 12:39

4 months was a total killer with both mine btw.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/03/2020 12:39

Thanks crazy it does get better.

I've breastfed both of mine through awful chest infections both before and then after being diagnosed with asthma. It was hard but actually I found I could rest while they fed. I understand your worry re hospital, hopefully that would be a very rare circumstance. It might be helpful to find a local online bf group, my la leche league one is extremely good, for moral support? You could try pumping the odd bag to store and maybe see if baby will take a bottle. If not, they usually take a sippy cup by 5 months and could be fed by small cup now.

I'm still feeding my toddler and having a snoozy rest with him as he was up half the night ill.

https://www.llli.org/coronavirus/

londonloves · 13/03/2020 12:37

And of course if I get ill I will still have to look after the toddler (I.e. still go to work to do my job) but if my husband gets ill he will be able to stay in bed for two weeks.

PlanDeRaccordement · 13/03/2020 12:35

Well, so far women seem to have half the risk of dying if they catch the virus compared to men. I hope some women are ready to become widows and have their financial/legal house in order if not married.

londonloves · 13/03/2020 12:35

Very lazy point from *feelingverylazytoday
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This is an interesting thread. From my own personal perspective I'm a full time SAHM, struggling at the moment with a very active 2.5 year old, resort to tv too much as it is but if nursery school and music classes close I won't cope without more tv. My only help is my mum and she won't be coming to London anymore as has pre existing lung condition. (Interestingly, my dad won't "let her leave the house")
Husband is working from home indefinitely from Monday, in home office in our garden - so if we play outside it will disturb him, he will have to come in for loo, lunch, coffee etc and it will be confusing for toddler having him around all the time.
We are on the edge already for various reasons and I am feeling worried it will escalate tensions hugely.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/03/2020 12:32

Was just coming to post this by the WHO!

https://twitter.com/who/status/1238393990262804480?s=21

During the #COVID19 outbreak, it's an opportunity for a spotlight on the role of women at home that often goes unrecognized, unappreciated & not reimbursed, and also women in the work settings who are at the frontlines. It’s women who are carrying this burden.

Going to make a separate thread too.

Yes I agree this is an extra burden on women. It already has impacted me and my time / work balance.

I've had sick children, string of big illness, for the last 4 weeks and it's really taken its toll on me as well as my workload. I've lost out on several working days as a result, most of which will need to be caught up on at some point.

midgebabe · 13/03/2020 12:30

We should discuss men, how they would all be good blokes if women were nicer, how hard it is to be men emotionally and how women can protect and support them and How women rely so much on men and how we should make sure they are aware of our gratitude.

The WHO have released something about the effect on women, especially the caring roles that fall mostly on women But I have lost the link as I am trying not to obsess at the moment

crazydiamond222 · 13/03/2020 12:28

As a mother of a 4 month old who currently wakes every 2 hours to feed at night I have no idea how I will cope if I get ill. Also what happens if I go into hospital, can the baby come with me? He will not take a bottle. I am thinking about early weaning just in case I am incapacitated and cannot breastfeed him.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 12:21

Maybe you can give us a list of everything we're allowed to discuss from a feminist perspective. Or doesn't it matter as long as we center men in every conversation we have?

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 12:19

Oh fuck off feelingverylazytoday. Discussing the specific ways that women will be effected by a the pandemic due to our biology, social positions, and socialised behaviours is not "turning everything into a men vs woman thing" it's an "applying feminist analysis to an serious situation thing". Perhaps you're lost because this is actually the feminist board. What kind of stuff do you think we talk about on here?

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 12:13

Yeh I've been following the pepper threads, which definitely feeds into the "mental loads" point earlier. Interesting to hear that the husbands take the piss until the point that it's time to be the hero/be in control/take all the credit.

I have a lot of friends in America and from what they're saying it sounds like they're making sure they have enough food, nappies, organising flexible working etc, and their husbands are making sure they have access to guns and amo "just in case".

Thankfully we don't have gun culture and access (for most) in the UK, but I can imagine for some men "prepping" is a good excuse to start bringing weapons into the house.

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feelingverylazytoday · 13/03/2020 12:09

Oh FFS , does everything have to be turned into a men vs women thing? Pathetic.

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