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Effects of corona virus on women

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 09:28

Just thinking about the ways the virus and measures taken to combat it will effect women. The first thing that come to mind is that if children need time off school/ elderly people need caring for, it'll disproportionatly be women providing that care and probably taking time off work to do it. The second things is the way isolation and domestic abuse will correlate. Women in violent and abusive relationships will be trapped at home with their abuser in an increasingly tense claustrophobic environment. No chance of even escaping to a friends or him going for a walk to calm down. I can imagine that a lot of women will experience their first episode of violence if a long lockdown is initiated. It's also a controlling abusers dream situation. I have a friend whose husband is extremely controlling and does anything he can to limit and control her movements. He's basically got her imprisoned inside atm and won't let her go out til CV is over - for her own safety, of course Hmm. Shockingly there's no need for him to self isolate yet, but her and their kid absolutely must be in the house 24/7. It's like all his Christmases have come at once. It's the perfect excuse for abusers to isolate their partners from friends, family, maybe even a way to force them to give up work. And worst of all I don't even know if these effects can be mitigated.

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TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 23/03/2020 00:10

One of the consequences of health care givers being mostly women is that while men are said to be more susceptible to the coronavirus more women have died of it here in Washington State than men.
It is my suspicion that susceptibility is overdetermined.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 22/03/2020 23:43

Yeh, impractical clothing and fast fashion in general. The pressure to have a new outfit for each event doesn't really work when there are no events! Tbh it would be good if this shifted people's thinking away from shopping as a leisure activity because that's one of the changes we need to make anyway to tackle the climate crisis.

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TinselAngel · 22/03/2020 23:33

It might also cause a reduction in the sale of impractical female clothing Grabthar, who wants to wear a skirt, in the midst of a pandemic?

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 22/03/2020 22:25

So this is a bit of a lighter observation than some of the other posts, and I guess it's more about isolation/distancing than the virus itself, but I've seen a lot of threads from women who are either going out, or stressed that they can't go out, for "beauty maintence" reasons. My dp shaves his head, but I have a pixie cut that's looking more ragged by the day. Lots of women obviously have much more high maintence looks than men, and go for hair cuts every 6 weeks, professional hair dyes, gel nails which need to be put on/taken off in a salon etc. Lots of women seem to be still trying to keep these appointments, and those who don't are unlikely to simply use the clippers like most men will. On the flip side I've also read a lot of posts from women saying they've stopped bothering with hair styling and makeup entirely as they can't go out so what's the point? I wonder if it will change some people's perceptions of the amount of "maintenence" they think they need, or if it will just lead to some women losing confidence and become one more thing they feel stressed about. Its not DV or caring responsibilities or any of the big topics that effect women, but it's definitely something that will effect women more than men.

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 22/03/2020 22:11

God what a twat! This has actually been the push I needed to get some cloth pads and I'm glad I did, they're so comfy!

To the posters who are still complaining that we're discussing the effects of this on women and only on women, on a feminism board, just piss off already. Seriously, this thread has had tonnes of really interesting contributions and I don't want it derailed and bogged down with dross just because you can't cope with the existence of a single thread that doesn't involve dick. Just fuck off back to AIBU if you don't have anything useful to add.

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RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 22/03/2020 21:55

He named three wacky pointless items that he would pile his trolley high with - plug adapters, lemongrass stalks and, you guessed it, tampons

What a prize dipshit

Kantastic · 22/03/2020 21:47

Ive been building an essentials stash in the garage since brexit and only realised yesterday that I'd totally forgotten to buy any sanpro!

This is a slightly old rant but I guess the rage isn't out of my system. A few weeks ago at the start of the hoarding/stockpiling madness I saw a thread on Reddit where some dude was joking that he'd like to go in and start stockpiling random/non-essential items just to freak out the other customers in the shop.

He named three wacky pointless items that he would pile his trolley high with - plug adapters, lemongrass stalks and, you guessed it, tampons.

I didn't know how to respond to that so I didn't, though someone did at least point out to him that some people were stockpiling tampons.

Still cannot form a coherent comment on it so I'm just sharing it with you all.

LadyQuarantinaPluckington · 22/03/2020 20:40

Bloody hell, are you lot still feminists? In a crisis situation like this? Shock

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 22/03/2020 19:57

There are posts on here which come across as little more than point scoring.

Oh absolutely

But I don’t think we are thinking of the same posts

DidoLamenting · 22/03/2020 19:50

This is a unique situation. There are posts on here which come across as little more than point scoring.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 22/03/2020 19:38

Feminism focuses on women dido. Not men

Its weird that people don’t grasp this

Its like going on the doghouse board and going...

‘Cats...fab aren’t they’

PertEllaTitsahoy · 22/03/2020 19:32

he is trying to homeschool / look after children at the same time as 'working' then he'd lose his job and get fired (he's in a competitive industry)

It's pretty outrageous that although people are at risk of dying some of these companies still wont make any form of concession to allow people to work and meet their childcare responsibilities. Angry

Datun · 22/03/2020 17:56

Bigging up one role utterly seems pointless.

Feminism focuses on women dido. Not men.

DidoLamenting · 22/03/2020 17:45

Surely you mean one up womanship,dido?

Whatever Datun- it's still tedious. We are all stuck with this. Bigging up one role utterly seems pointless.

Langbannedforsafeguardingkids · 22/03/2020 17:30

It’s funny though- everyone i know taking advantage of keyworker places are doing so because their husbands or male partners are working from home and can’t look after the children at the same time. All the women i know wfh are having the children instead.

Yes I know a fair few in this situation too. Although it's not always the fact that the man 'won't' do it that is the issue - In one case it's that he has a job paying approx 5x that of his wife (a nurse) and so their mortgage and most of their bills are paid by his job and they're naturally very concerned that there is a risk if he is trying to homeschool / look after children at the same time as 'working' then he'd lose his job and get fired (he's in a competitive industry).

My school sent a letter around saying that if you were a keyworker you were eligible for a place but if there was another adult who could WFH to consider keeping children at home for everyone's safety (social distancing) which seemed a good way to put it.

But it not only depends on who's staying home but relative incomes as well.

It's always been my opinion that nurses are paid very shoddily and I really think they should be getting a pay rise in this situation. All fof the nurses I know are very much the second earner in their relationships - so if anyone was going to give up work to take care of kids (for whatever reason) it would be them because they couldn't afford the financial hit of losing the higher salary.

bluebluezoo · 22/03/2020 15:44

b) those children who are going to school are going to find themselves significantly academically ahead

It’s been made quite clear that no teaching will be happening in schools, it is childcare only, and staffing will be minimum to provide safety.

There will be no teaching.

In fact i’d suggest the reverse- those kids at home will be able to crack on with google classroom- work will be set by those teachers working from home, not in school childminding.

It’s funny though- everyone i know taking advantage of keyworker places are doing so because their husbands or male partners are working from home and can’t look after the children at the same time. All the women i know wfh are having the children instead.

I have told mine i am not doing housework while they are at home all day and i am at work. To the point i will move into staff accommodation and leave them to it.

OhamIreally · 22/03/2020 10:34

@definitelygc I agree but I even think it's a case not only of "couldn't" I think they out and out won't look after them. Leaving the key worker in question in an impossible position.

Datun · 21/03/2020 23:57

I'm really getting rather annoyed by the frankly silly competitiveness and "women up-manship" going on here.

Surely you mean one up womanship, dido?

I would try not to get annoyed. Otherwise you might be getting annoyed a lot.

Datun · 21/03/2020 23:54

We would like to hear from both women and non-binary people.

It's looking more and more risible.

How are you going to collate the answers to a survey asking all about women's responsibilities if it can include men under 'non-binary people'?

Gronky · 21/03/2020 22:36

I know NAMALT etc. but I really need to hear some stories of men stepping up because I personally don't know any.

I haven't heard one peep of complaint from the single men at work while they expand their workloads to allow women (and men) with families to work from home. Usually, they grumble about everything.

Siameasy · 21/03/2020 21:04

I definitely feel I’m doing all the worrying and DH is carrying on as normal. He doesn’t “plan” the way I do eg I’m always thinking Eg “right this food is going out of date make sure DD eats it” or “how to occupy DD as no school”.
We are both emergency workers but if I’m off I’ll keep her at home.

definitelygc · 21/03/2020 20:17

We would like to hear from both women and non-binary people

Oh I didn't see that. Yawn.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 21/03/2020 20:04

The Fawcett Society arent setting themselves up well for useable data
We would like to hear from both women and non-binary people. 🤦🏻‍♀️

DidoLamenting · 21/03/2020 19:55

Nurses, carers, cleaners, sahp are mostly women

At the levels above junior doctors the staff will be men. Famers, food producers, delivery drivers, engineers, are overwhelmingly male.

The people who are being expected to unblock the sewage system because it has been blocked up by fuckwits putting non-flushable paper down will be men.

I'm really getting rather annoyed by the frankly silly competitiveness and "women up-manship" going on here.

Datun · 21/03/2020 19:20

Nurses, carers, cleaners, sahp are mostly women.

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