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Effects of corona virus on women

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ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 13/03/2020 09:28

Just thinking about the ways the virus and measures taken to combat it will effect women. The first thing that come to mind is that if children need time off school/ elderly people need caring for, it'll disproportionatly be women providing that care and probably taking time off work to do it. The second things is the way isolation and domestic abuse will correlate. Women in violent and abusive relationships will be trapped at home with their abuser in an increasingly tense claustrophobic environment. No chance of even escaping to a friends or him going for a walk to calm down. I can imagine that a lot of women will experience their first episode of violence if a long lockdown is initiated. It's also a controlling abusers dream situation. I have a friend whose husband is extremely controlling and does anything he can to limit and control her movements. He's basically got her imprisoned inside atm and won't let her go out til CV is over - for her own safety, of course Hmm. Shockingly there's no need for him to self isolate yet, but her and their kid absolutely must be in the house 24/7. It's like all his Christmases have come at once. It's the perfect excuse for abusers to isolate their partners from friends, family, maybe even a way to force them to give up work. And worst of all I don't even know if these effects can be mitigated.

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jellyfrizz · 27/03/2020 14:14

Article about unequal response by workplaces:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/27/mothers-say-they-being-kept-at-work-uk-as-fathers-stay-home

psychedelephant · 27/03/2020 14:01

This may already have been posted but a petition here by Pregnant Then Screwed re caregivers' income: pregnantthenscrewed.com/covid-19/sign-the-petition/

FancyRibbon · 27/03/2020 09:42

Excellent blog here by an academic recovering from Coronavirus who works on low paid work (disproportionately who will be women and carers for others)
www.versobooks.com/blogs/4616-our-low-paid-workers-are-our-lifeline

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 23/03/2020 21:42

The situation will be extra shit for women in prostitution as well. Either they get no "clients", in which case they get no money - pretty sure the gov won't be giarenteeing their wages! - or they keep on getting clients (and judging by the fact that pornhub have introduced a CV topic, that seems most likely) and then they have an additional level of danger in an already extremely dangerous job.

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Floisme · 23/03/2020 19:52

I see your point about it affecting women in different ways ByGrab and I think it'll be an interesting way of finding out what we do for enjoyment / self care and what we do because it feels expected of us. Assuming the human race survives, I am sceptical about it leading to widespread lasting change but we'll see.

GrumpyHoonMain · 23/03/2020 19:18

Apparently it impacts sperm quality and many sperm banks and fertility clinics are temporarily pausing new donations

TinselAngel · 23/03/2020 19:17

That escalated quickly.

ByGrabtharsHammerWhatASavings · 23/03/2020 15:41

Oh, are you still here missing every single point by a country mile Dido? Dont you have anything better to do? It was perfectly obvious to everyone else that Tinsel was talking about impractical clothing worn by women for the sole purpose of meeting beauty expectations. For lots of women that means skirts, high heels, tight clothing etc. Things lots of women would rather not wear but for one reason or another feel they have to. Things most women don't bother wearing if they're just relaxing at home. It obviously didnt mean that all women hate wearing skirts or that all skirts are impractical. Do you wear skirts because you find them more comfortable than trousers? Great, your choices obviously weren't the ones being referenced then.

Jesus wept!

Also yes to Floisme, not all women have an extensive beauty regime because they feel they need to maintain a certain appearance, many do it as a pleasurable form of self care. Those women will also be impacted. Some will maybe feel relieved they don't have to participate in expensive time consuming beauty rituals for a while, some may realise they were doing it for others all along and make lasting changes, others may just feel increasingly sad and self conscious without those options, and some will have lost an important way of relaxing and practising self care. My point was not that all women think the same on this issue, it was simply that its an issue that will affect women in different ways, which is less likely to affect men.

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allmywhat · 23/03/2020 15:16

I love this response on Maugham's thread.

Men already have it particularly hard during this pandemic. We're losing $1.00 to every 79¢ a woman loses

allmywhat · 23/03/2020 15:13

They are extremely uncomfortable and give me thrush. Would she prefer I go naked from the waist down?

🤐💄👠👙 🙈🙉 🙊 and in conclusion

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FannyCann · 23/03/2020 15:12

It finally dawns on a fox battering kimono wearing QC that the children need entertaining while he works from home.

twitter.com/jolyonmaugham/status/1241823864113463296?s=21

Effects of corona virus on women
DidoLamenting · 23/03/2020 15:04

Who on Earth gets this belligerent and aggressive when someone suggests not all women love wearing skirts..

Nice spin on her comment but that wasn't what she was suggesting. It was the usual supercilious sneering and remains the most stupid and irrelevant comment I've seen on the topic of coronovirus.

It's clearly beyond the wit of that poster to understand some women hate wearing trousers. I hate them. They are extremely uncomfortable and give me thrush. Would she prefer I go naked from the waist down?

And that's aside from the sheer stupiditty and crassness of seeing a ray of light in the coronovirus situation "ooh at least women won't have to wear skirts"

BlingLoving · 23/03/2020 14:50

Ok, perhaps a more accurate line would be, "most medical research wither excludes women or focuses more on men". The point is that medical research does not give women a fair shake, meaning that either the findings are skewed towards men or that women's specific issues are not taken into account.

allmywhat · 23/03/2020 14:16

Oh bore off. That has to be the stupidest comment I've seen so far on the topic.

Wow, what an incredibly rude overreaction. Who on Earth gets this belligerent and aggressive when someone suggests not all women love wearing skirts... oh. I will try to forget i thought that question. And since then there has been some Well Actually-ing, a WATM, and even an attempt at "any criticism of the beauty industry is antifeminist" with a massively hamfisted accompanying attempt at a guilt trip. I guess this thread is rustling some jimmies.

It is lowkey infuriating that it took a health crisis that primarily affects men to force public health agencies to start collecting sex-disaggregated data without "gender" fogging up the stats. But hopefully now they've started doing it, it will be easier to hold their feet to the fire to make them continue doing it in future.

Floisme · 23/03/2020 13:32

I wonder if it will change some people's perceptions of the amount of "maintenence" they think they need
If you listen to women who are into skin care or make up or fashion, many of them lead very challenging lives and treasure this small amount of time that they spend purely on themselves. Of course it's unnecessary and arguably pointless, as is icing cakes or growing cacti or listening to The Archers. But self care is important at a time like this, particularly if you spend much of your life looking after other people, and hierarchies of worthiness are not helpful.

MsPeachh · 23/03/2020 13:19

I’ve just had the results of my smear test back and I’ve been called into hospital later this week for a colposcopy. I’m nervous about going into a hospital at this time and I’m even more nervous that procedures like these could be cancelled at any time. On top of being nervous about the procedure and the results from it too.

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/03/2020 12:58

haha

I knew you'd post those links, and they are totally true.
But you said "most medical research excludes women".
Not true.

madcatladyforever · 23/03/2020 12:29

Talking about unisex NHS equipment.
I have a box of masks here and they are one size only.
Faceache tiny - I have a large head for a woman and wear men's size hats as I can never get womens hats to fit
The mask I've been wearing all morning has left welts all over my face and is so painful I don't think I can stand a whole afternoon of it.
God knows how the male staff can stand it because I can't.

BlingLoving · 23/03/2020 12:22

No it doesn't.

haha. Attached a few clips from just the first few pages of the chapter on medical issues for women in the book, Invisible Women by Caroline Criado-Perez. For more detail, feel free to go and buy the book.

Effects of corona virus on women
Effects of corona virus on women
Effects of corona virus on women
ValancyRedfern · 23/03/2020 11:47

I know NAMALT etc. but I really need to hear some stories of men stepping up because I personally don't know any.

Dp is at home with dd most days as I need to be in school and he can WFH. He is doing all the cooking and cleaning and doing his best to teach her while also keeping his business going. She is loving it so far (only day 3 to be fair). I am loving coming home to a cooked meal every night!

deydododatdodontdeydo · 23/03/2020 11:41

most medical research excludes women

No it doesn't.

DidoLamenting · 23/03/2020 11:27

TinselAngel

It might also cause a reduction in the sale of impractical female clothingGrabthar, who wants to wear a skirt, in the midst of a pandemic?

Oh bore off. That has to be the stupidest comment I've seen so far on the topic.

DreadPirateLuna · 23/03/2020 09:45

Men are more likely to smoke than women, especially older men and especially in China and Italy (where much of the data is coming from).

BlingLoving · 23/03/2020 08:26

The thing is that most medical research excludes women because they are too "difficult" to study. Suddenly, lower death rate and medical science is all over studying women. Saw a comment on Twitter that isn't it interesting how suddenly data broken down by sex is seen as valuable ... as a way to cure / help men?!

The lower death rate could be anything but will need studying.

crazydiamond222 · 23/03/2020 06:29

I don't think women are less likely to catch it for any medical reasons, only because in some societies they are less exposed to it.

In relation to health outcomes it is not clear if there is any underlying medical reason why outcomes for women are better or whether it is because they are less likely to have other factors that pre dispose them e.g smoking.

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