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Evan Davis misgenders a non-binary activist

116 replies

Polynerd · 10/03/2020 17:54

Did anyone hear the segment on non-binary passports on R4 PM just now? Evan Davis introduced the segment: "Christie Elan-Cane brought the case blah blah... I spoke to her earlier - " and then he realised what he'd said and literally stopped and spluttered for ages. Must try to clip it and share - it was so hilarious that DD came into the kitchen to find out what I was laughing at!

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Hirsutefirs · 10/03/2020 20:04

How do interviewers resist blurting out “What a load of shit!,” or words to that effect?

The passport office is discriminating against loonies who call it “purr passport.”

WrathofFaeKlopp · 10/03/2020 20:02

Tripped up there Evan.
Still, never mind, easy mistake, could happen to anyone.
At least 'per' sounds like the pronoun 'her'.

Per = her
What's the pronoun for 'his'?

WomanIsTaken · 10/03/2020 20:00

That did put a smile on my face. A sort of real time woke crash. Thanks, Evan!

Toadsrevisited · 10/03/2020 19:59

Unperlievable.

How perturbing.

A perennial personnel peroblem, perhaps?

namechange9357 · 10/03/2020 19:59

Per is the unisex pronoun in one of my all time favourite novels (Woman on the Edge of Time) and I have a huge soft spot for it. But I would never ever ever ever ask anyone to address me by it

LiterallyProblematic · 10/03/2020 19:53

It was brilliant! I can’t believe he didn’t crack up when he said ‘per’. 😂

JellyFishSquish · 10/03/2020 19:45

Couldn't have happened to a better woke-bloke. Still mad at Evan Davis for how he treated Harry the Owl.

Twickerhun · 10/03/2020 19:44

I think ED needs a fairly massive drink tonight to get over that piece of broadcast craziness

ListeningQuietly · 10/03/2020 19:44

Fab comment on an old Fail story about this
The issue is not "X", but XX and XY

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 10/03/2020 19:40

Yes, & on purrpiss

Nice 😀

Goosefoot · 10/03/2020 19:37

It goes to show that this business of it being easy to change out something like pronouns is false, it's completely different than changing a personal name.

AbsintheFriends · 10/03/2020 19:35

Priceless!

I noticed that the non-binary person claimed it was discriminatory not to be allowed an X option, but given that every single person on the planet can be categorised* as M or F I wasn't sure who was being discriminated against?

(*some rare intersex conditions may make categorisation less straightforward)

Justhadathought · 10/03/2020 19:34

Are they taking the piss

Yes, & on purrpiss.

TheresMoreofUs · 10/03/2020 19:29

Oh I just listened again - thanks for the link. How fecking ridiculous!!

ListeningQuietly · 10/03/2020 19:13

If that interview does not wake Evan up from his woke slumber I do not know what will

HelgaHere1 · 10/03/2020 19:02

We were FFSing at the radio - I commented to DH 'I wonder how many other households are yelling at the radio" at that nonsense.

MedusasButterDish · 10/03/2020 19:01

On www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000g3jr at 27:30.

NB:
"If you're a gendered trans person - that is, a trans man and a trans woman can get a passport in their acquired gender with no problem, even with GRC. [...] They will still be able to."

See: assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/251703/Applying_for_a_passport_additional_information.PDF

You can apply for a passport in an acquired gender. This option is available to those who do not hold a Gender Recognition Certificate or have not had gender reassignment surgery, as well as those who have.

OhHolyJesus · 10/03/2020 18:59

Purrr?

Oh FFS. I'll listen for laughs later OP.

(The Piers and Nandy segment wasn't so amusing but I recommend it also if you have time to watch. So many new news stories these days, it's hard to keep up, but there's no denying it, this is definitely getting the media exposure we all once hoped for.)

EmmaGrundyForPM · 10/03/2020 18:48

I didnt hear the start of the piece but I switched on half way through and heard Evan's apology. When he said "per" i was so pissed off. It's madness.

Lordfrontpaw · 10/03/2020 18:47

That’s a lot of legal fees.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 10/03/2020 18:44

It was absolutely glorious.

On the issue the non-binary individual has been fighting, I just have no words. What an utter waste of time. Where's the money come from for 30 years of legal fees? (Turned out I did have a few words ...)

TheresMoreofUs · 10/03/2020 18:36

I was in my kitchen listening - it was horrifying but so funny - he really, really tied himself up in knots - I thought he was going to combust. And then when he tried to apologise and nearly fucked up again because even he couldn’t quite manage the linguistic mangling of ‘purr’. I must be a bad influence because I so very rarely listen to Radio 4 but the last time I did was when he started interviewing a lawyer about Trump and the guy had to tell him that he wasn’t interviewing who he thought he was interviewing. Got to find it again on I-Player. And the Per Person has been fighting this battle to be classed as X for 30 years? 30 years!!!

Catting · 10/03/2020 18:29

I'd just call them Percey, and pretend I didn't know what all the fuss was 😈

Mockerswithnoknockers · 10/03/2020 18:24

Oh Purrr -lease!

Lordfrontpaw · 10/03/2020 18:21

I give up. I really do.