Evan Davis misgenders a non-binary activist

No relation between Piercy and trans-activism. Seriously.

The sense that a feminist utopia would be a place where sex and gender are eliminated? That's not something just found in novels, for some something like that has been the goal, to erase all sense that there are differences between men and women, that they are important. When we ask, how could someone not realise that there are signifiant differences between the sexes, the answer is because that's what they've been taught to believe.

“Where are Flanders and Swann when we need them to poke some fun at this??”

I’m a transwoo-
Man, how do you do?
They’ve banned me from the ladies’ public loo!

Pee, poo, belly bum drawers.

Where are Flanders and Swann when we need them to poke some fun at this??

Pee, poo, belly bum drawers.

Are my pronouns.

"Poo let the dogs out?"

(I'll get my coat...)

Late to this...

Purr, pis and pe??? Seriously??

It would just make me want to go to the loo more.

The female loos.

This particular strain of feminist thinking is not immaterial to where we are now

No relation between Piercy and trans-activism. Seriously.

Yes that’s a good solution. My first job after Oxford humanities degree was emptying dishwashers in a staff canteen. Was the only employee in that part of the kitchen team who hadn’t been to prison. I did not say where I had come from ...

I went on to have exactly the kind of job you would expect me to have and I am now a massive ponce . But I know what’s what.

Bitinterested

I have sometimes thought that after an undergraduate degree, everyone should go do some down to earth manual labour for a while, with regular people. Then they can go on to do more education if they want.

You've nailed it @HollowTalk that's exactly what it's like!

I was at Oxford at the weekend talking to students. Notable anecdote that the grad students were slightly more on edge than the undergrads. More time to faff about with pronouns while completing the PhD on something utterly pointless (they were humanities grads as am I so I’m being equal opportunities rude). No particular end goal. Too much time picking apart tiny bits of text, too much time alone or with other academics. I made a note to myself - do not let DCs do a dphil (should they be clever enough to have the option) except in science. At the moment with universities the way they are I’d want them in and out sharpish.

Aw Evan. I like him too, I listen to a lot of Radio 4 despite regularly getting annoyed with it.

I hadn't realised he was overtly on the woke side of things but there's still time for him to come round! Joiiiiin ussss Evan...

It would all be a lot simpler of per and perself just studied for their PhDs.

I've just looked it up and yes Piercy does use it. It is short for 'person' and reflects a feminist utopian future in which sex and gender have been eliminated and there is no reason to use gendered pronouns.

This particular strain of feminist thinking is not immaterial to where we are now.

I heard it and did laugh at “we apologise to per”.

I was with a friend who used to be a support worker for clients with various mental health issues. One of his clients was a transwoman with depression and he was very supportive of her struggle to be accepted as a woman.

However, his reaction to Evan was to yell “FOR FUCK’S SAKE!” at the car radio.

Per-Piercy? Oh dear. I just have so many many many questions...

I've just looked it up and yes Piercy does use it. It is short for 'person' and reflects a feminist utopian future in which sex and gender have been eliminated and there is no reason to use gendered pronouns.

Do they both use the same pronoun (per and perpartner)?

(I'm pretty sure) 'Per' was a non-gendered pro-noun used by anarchist feminist Marge Piercy in her wonderful 1976 novel 'Woman on the Edge of Time'. Once upon a time non-gendered pro-nouns were advocated by feminists for rather different reasons to those of today's TRAs. I say 'pretty sure' above because my copy is in a box and I am relying on memory from three decades ago.

You might like to read about th enovel here

www.theguardian.com/books/2016/nov/29/woman-on-the-edge-of-time-40-years-on-hope-imagining-utopia-marge-piercy

After I got past the dog (which was funny), I completely cracked up at that. He could barely have messed it up better!

Interesting that he didn't misgender pur with him. It's strange. I just can't for the life of me figure out why.

Pur says it's degrading to have to use a sex marker pur doesn't gender identify with on pur's passport because our has spent so long fighting this. One could imagine that if you've spent 30 years fighting for something that it's mighty hard to back down and say you've made a mistake. Sounds like pur doesn't have the sort of financial constraints that would restrict the amount of time most others could spend paying lawyers to fight this.

BUT ALSO THERE HAVE BEEN REVIEWS? So has the tax payer been paying for reviews into this for 30 years because pur can afford to keep fighting the government?!!!! Did I understand that correctly?!

Presenting as masculine is perfectly ok but they must absolutely detest the feminine.

Internalised mysogyny writ large.

Men don't care either way.

I heard the interview yesterday - absolutely cracked me up. (After I stopped being infuriated at the "assigned at birth" bollocks.)

It's at times like this that I really miss Eddie Mair. I like to think that Eddie wouldn't have put up with this crap, though so many of my heroes have fallen you can't be sure. Does anyone know if he's dealt with it on his show at LBC?

Sorry, but the only person entitled to use the pronoun 'purr' with any credibility is Eartha Kitt

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Sorry, but the only person entitled to use the pronoun 'purr' with any credibility is Eartha Kitt.

Listening to Christie on the radio, she has such a perfect gels boarding school accent, nobody would ever mistake her for anything other than an English female.