Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

I had a homebirth and my baby didn't come out with a wristband - what sex is my 5 year old, Lisa?

Is there a word for the confusion one feels when you find yourself in agreement with Piers Morgan?

Oops sorry

Careful dances, I think references to mountain climbing are on the banned words list.

Showed DH on catchup, peak transed him (even though he generally doesn’t like piers)

The potential issues are I think a lack of reading for understanding skill or awareness in how to check sources, recognise propaganda, analyse & interrogate text.

Morgan asked the same simple question several times - that can come across as a hectoring/bullying technique but often seems to happen where the interviewee is deliberately trying to dodge giving an answer.

What I find is this works if the interviewer has enough intelligence to really understand the question. Not only intelligence either, but knowledge of what is being discussed.

I've seen it fail spectacularly when the person being interviewed was more intelligent and knowledgable, and the interviewer keeps banging on the question because they haven't understood that it's been answered.

This bullying thing is such bunk. How on earth would she have ever coped with the forthright challenge of Paxman at his height, famously not letting politicians wriggle away from answering a question?

They are all media-trained within an inch of their lives.

You don't think anyone actually says "We have been very clear....."

What made me angry was her completely bizarre strategy of taking a very specific question and wanging on about something completely separate

It's my understanding that this is how people in politics are now trained to deal with problem questions.

I completely agree she was wrong, wrong to go on and discuss this when she isn't capable of making herself understood

But surely that isn't what was wrong - it wasn't a question of her 'not being capable of making herself understood' - it's a question of what she is trying to say being wrong in itself.

Morgan asked the same simple question several times - that can come across as a hectoring/bullying technique but often seems to happen where the interviewee is deliberately trying to dodge giving an answer.

What made me angry was her completely bizarre strategy of taking a very specific question and wanging on about something completely separate

Question about self-Id trans women.... talks about caster semenya

Question about women’s sports... talks about marginalised communities and this young person in her constituency... presumably they aren’t an Olympic athlete.

Like if he’s asked a doctor a question about Coronavirus and they told him all about diabetes.

When there are young women up and down the country putting hours and hours in at the gym/track/pool, giving up so much of their life to a particular sport, fighting for the chance to qualify for top flight competition, possibly only with a performance window of a few years approaching, knowing that gaining 100g, missing a training session or having pmt could make the split second difference between qualifying or not...

And the possible leader of the Labour Party can’t see that allowing male bodied people to compete is basically saying “don’t bother love - validating the feelings of a few people who find their gender identity problematic is more important than you and your opportunities/safety” Not terribly caring.

She has an impressive victim face.

And inherently appears more likeable than PM.

However he is a very successful journalist/broadcaster. She will not make (a good) Prime Minister.

I got what you meant italiangreyhound
I think that kind of empathy is what she relies on tbh.

I think sometimes brutal honesty is compassion.

It may seem harsh to say look mate you sound like an.idiot but if perhaps they had listened instead of feeling ganged up on then maybe they wouldnt have gone on tv and made a complete fool of themselves.

SOME women....NAWALT!

SarahTancredi I have 100% been socialized as female. But I kind of like it! I like being me, I just wish all men were socialized female too!

Completely agree,"The men are happy to let her get on with it cos it doesnt affect them, they like to see women make arses of themselves and they are thrilled it's now at the point where they could drop their pants and shit on the studio floor in front of millions of people and still come across as more credible."

I think women have sadly played into their hands by being so amicable. which is why I LOVE the strong women on here who do not play that game. But I cannot pretend to be one of them, I am cheering from the sidelines! I wish that genuine compassion could reign, which does not make it harder for everyone to help one person but makes it better for everyone.

I didn't say it was bullying, I said 'It felt like bullying almost'. that's how it felt to watch.

I completely agree she was wrong, wrong to go on and discuss this when she isn't capable of making herself understood. To me it shows she is not leader-material. She is follower-material.

So I agree with you, PreseaCombatir. I am not calling it bullying.

CharlieParley you may right, I don't know her thoughts enough. I think she had a shot at leadership, I thought that a few years ago, now I don't.

I said I was a numpty!

That's the kind of female socialisation aspect shes relying on

The men are happy to let her get on with it cos it doesnt affect them, they like to see women make arses of themselves and they are thrilled it's now at the point where they could drop their pants and shit on the studio floor in front of millions of people and still come across as more credible.

"You cant treat the public like that then play the victim"

forgetting that you are speaking to the public and not just the interviewer is the biggest mistake a politician can make and she made it. PM lulled her into it, he acts the arse as he knows how the game works, she was too stupid to realise.

It felt like bullying almost because she was incapable of answering him, and he knew it

I might agree with you if it was a general member of the public, but I really don’t think that’s bullying when putting a question to a politician who wants to be leader of the country and influence policy.
It might be uncomfortable to watch, but all it serves to highlight is she is not fit for the position.

Even calling it bullying feeds into her victim mentality, that people are being unkind, and not that she’s not fit for office.

SarahTancredi "It was only relentless Cos despite ample warning and ample time to get even a half coherent answer together with regards to these questions, she went on totally unprepared and treating the co hosts and the guests and the entire british public as absolute dickheads incapable of seeing her pathetic diversion tactics for exactly what they were."

Yes, i 100% agree, I said I was a numpty!

We all saw her refusing to answer the question. It was very stupid of her. Better to simply say I can't or won't answer it, at least that would have been honest!

In my opinion she had an easy out, Italiangreyhound and that was to say, no it's not fair and that's why we will have rules about inclusion.

This immediately gets the most damaging question off the table and gets you into a technical discussion about rules. Easier to obfuscate and saying "rules about inclusion" would allow her to make it clear to the trans activists that her default position is to include males who identify as trans, not exclude them.

However, I fear that she is an adherent to the extremist fringe of this ideology, which rejects any notion of sex-based differences and therefore any notion that males as a class have a physiological advantage over females as a class.

I actually felt quite sorry for Lisa Nandy (yes I am a numpty) because I watched as the other two men and two women left her to PM's relentless questioning

It was only relentless Cos despite ample warning and ample time to get even a half coherent answer together with regards to these questions, she went on totally unprepared and treating the co hosts and the guests and the entire british public as absolute dickheads incapable of seeing her pathetic diversion tactics for exactly what they were. How dare she go on tv and talk to us all like we are too stupid to notice shes refusing to answer the question. How dare she go on tv and expect us to accept being screwed over with our rights in order to be kind to one kid we haven't even met and have mo idea if they even exist.

You cant treat the public like that then play the victim... I.mean seriously

I admire her for caring for one person

What she is doing is caring.