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Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

393 replies

musicposy · 10/03/2020 07:46

He’s trying to push Lisa Nandy as to whether any man can self identify and compete in woman’s sports. He’s actually trying to talk some sense and saying it’s unfair to woman’s rights. Making really good points about trans rights overriding woman’s rights.
She will not give a straight answer to anything.

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MrsDoylesTeaBags · 10/03/2020 08:33

It was a car cash, if this is our brightest and best God help us.

Datun · 10/03/2020 08:31

Shocking to see her mangle what he said to make it sound like he was saying transwomen are grotesque instead of what he did say, that it was grotesquely unfair to women, in an effort to close him down.

Indeed it was. She doesn't realise how insulting she is being by smugly assuming people will buy that disingenuous claptrap.

It's awful to watch.

And, surely, by now she must be realising that if she could have all the answers at her fingertips, she bloody well would. She's been asked enough times and must know, that there are no answers, because she's actually in the wrong.

She's been conned.

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 08:29

oh could catch this on plus one

Childrenofthestones · 10/03/2020 08:25

Shocking to see her mangle what he said to make it sound like he was saying transwomen are grotesque instead of what he did say, that it was grotesquely unfair to women, in an effort to close him down.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 10/03/2020 08:21

I liked that Suzanna Reid jumped right on it when she mentioned Caster Semenya.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 10/03/2020 08:19

She didn't exactly cover herself in glory and I think PM got it just right, she's so afraid of upsetting the trans activists in her party she cannot give a straight answer.
She didn't show herself as worthy of leadership and showed just how far the labour party have fallen. This with the expulsion of Trevor Phillips will set back the Labour Party for years.

BovaryX · 10/03/2020 08:19

And now men have found a way to dominate female sport. She's actually agreeing that men need to compete against women, and to make that possible, they might try and possibly disadvantage them in some way to level the playing field? (even though every study shows that this is impossible)

It really is bizarre. What I find laughable is the automaton repetition of 'these are not conflicting rights' when it is crystal clear to anyone with a functioning brain cell that they are on a collision course. Another interesting aspect is that 'straight talking' Lisa Nandy reckons parroting this nonsense will help Labour into Downing Street. Beyond delusional....

SarahTancredi · 10/03/2020 08:15

Is there a link to the clip up yet? Where can I watch?

Datun · 10/03/2020 08:07

It still strikes me afresh. Women have fought for years to have the own sports categories. Because male sport dominates. And they have been opposed every step of the way.

And now men have found a way to dominate female sport. She's actually agreeing that men need to compete against women, and to make that possible, they might try and possibly disadvantage them in some way to level the playing field? (even though every study shows that this is impossible).

Because that's what women are, aren't they? Service humans to validate the feelings of men who say feel like the opposite sex.

Sometimes, hearing it anew, the utter insanity leaps out all over again.

SoldiersinPetticoats · 10/03/2020 08:06

I’m done with Labour. I’m a lifelong labour voter who has begrudgingly votes for them the past two elections but no more. These potential leaders couldn’t win an election, the gap between Labour and their old base is increasing. It’s so depressing

Redshoeblueshoe · 10/03/2020 08:02

It pisses me off, most vulnerable people ever, and false suicide stats.
And she was assigned a sex at birth, and she knew what her baby was due to it's wristband.

musicposy · 10/03/2020 07:59

How are labour ever going to win an election? They just aren’t getting it. It’s clear they will throw women under the bus.
Trying to turn it into saying Piers was attacking trans rights. I didn’t see anything like an attack - just a question she refused to answer and made herself look utterly ridiculous.

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Shockedandbefuddled · 10/03/2020 07:58

Once again shut down any debate, accuse him of attacking vulnerable people and refusal to answer.

I may not be a PM fan but he did not say anything transphobic or offensive.

Datun · 10/03/2020 07:57

I only caught the tail end but wrt sport she disagreed that men shouldn't compete with women because there 'would be rules'.

I wish Piers had asked why 'rules' were necessary.

Childrenofthestones · 10/03/2020 07:56

Wow!
That was one of the most bruising interviews I've seen in a while.
He did well but I was shouting at the telly
" Ask her the selfdeclaring prisoners question!"

BovaryX · 10/03/2020 07:55

She will not give a straight answer to anything.

I wonder if Lisa Nandy and Labour's other luminaries have any idea that their uncritical adoption of Stonewall's talking points makes them look absurd every time they are questioned on this? The logical inconsistencies and incoherence of this ideology will damage politicos dumb enough to sign up to this loopy agenda....

Mammatino · 10/03/2020 07:55

She didn't cover herself in glory there. He's very careful in his wording so constantly saying he was attacking ttans rights didn't fly. I think she accused him of calling trans people grotesque, he said it was a "grotesque attack on women's rights". Why would she not just answer the question?

Icantstopeatinglol · 10/03/2020 07:53

No surprise there whatsoever. It’s completely unfair. I do weightlifting and the weights the men lift are obviously heavier than (most) the women as they’re physique allows that.