Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

The Wild Swans analogy is a revelation!

she knew what her baby was due to it's wristband

Please tell me Nandy didn't actually say this?

I find this beyond incredible, that anyone standing for leadership of a major political party (albeit one which has lost its captain and rudder) in the UK in the 21st century can behave like this.

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I think it's worse when these women KNOW they are talking shite but still carry on defending it.
If they put the same amount of energy actually standing up for females they wouldn't be in this hole in the first place

At what time would the Nandy bit be?

Today's episode is on the ITV hub now www.itv.com/hub/good-morning-britain/2a3211a2739

Lurking for clip too. Worrying times when Piers Morgan is the sensible one in the conversation.

There's also an element of the childish Good versus Bad thinking that Labour is marinating in going on here. Piers Morgan is Bad, therefore anything he says is fair game for Good Person Lisa Nandy to deliberately misinterpret and twist to make him look terrible, and he has no right to object to that because again, he's Bad, and if you object to the blatant fuckery happening right there on your screen then you're Bad too.

Also shamelessly lurking for a clip

Labour are lost

And always meant to watch that film too, thanks for the recommendation

I need to read Wild Swans - I have a copy and have for years but never got round to it!

she and all the others are terrified of the tween zealots in their party arent they? I remember when I read Wild Swans that one of my abiding impressions was the pitilessness of the children and tweens in the Cultural Revolution. Of course they had been deliberately indoctrinated but it really chilled me how they were weaponised to turn on their own parents and teachers.

The film Farewell My Concubine was made as a sort of apology for the fact that the filmmaker was one of those pitiless young people once upon a time (and then he grew up and realized what he'd done). The Wokerati could do with giving it a watch, but it's long and has subtitles and no nudity so, you know, boring.

Place marking for a clip of this to become available!

Bloody hell. I didnt think she could look any crazier after the comment about the male rapists in womens prisons but she did it. Thats one hell of an achievement.

There is not a single rule that would mean it's fair for men to compete on women's sports so wtf was she on about

Shes lost it completely

I only caught the last few minutes but my goodness I’m glad this happened. She came across as a complete idiot and liar. She said PM called trans people “grotesque” when he clearly did not. But it’s what GC people have had thrown at them for years. I’m so pleased this has had sunlight.

She was trending No1 on twitter at one point.

The best one for me was “Lisa Nandy, absolutley drowning in her own bullshit”.

Well she won’t be getting my vote!!

Not her finest hour!!

They all got it, everyone around that table got it, apart from Lisa Nandy.

She didn’t come across as supporting women at all, even though it was endless ‘pitting two groups against each other’. She jumped in incorrectly, that PM had said Transpeople were grotesque, when he clearly hadn’t, and when pushed at the end she just came across as surly and nasty.

If she had accepted immediately that, of course it is wrong, we need to look very carefully at all of this to ensure that women’s rights and trans rights are upheld, she would have sounded so measured and considered. No chance of that, of course.

I wish it was just the young 'uns but I am surrounded by people aged 30+ who buy into Self ID and the freedom people should have to live their lives how they choose. Anything else is not #bekind and is just bigotry. Voicing concerns is bigotry and being obsessed with other people's genitals

Thank you :)

I think it really is about not grasping the consequences of what they are doing. They do think they are being compassionate and kind and that anyone who doesnt see it their way it by definition bigoted and hateful.

They dont grasp the consquences of self ID because theyve barely lived. They cant understand the implications for women when you define one half of the human race out of existence by saying anyone who feels like a woman can be one.

I expect Kevin Maguire persuaded her to go on, as he has stated he wants her to be the next leader.
I thought Kevin was strangely quiet regarding TP.

Kit19, you hit upon something very significant there, yes. I suspect it's due to the tween and teenage being a time when you really don't fully grasp ideas about long term consequences and mortality. There's a sort of damnable stubbornness that is no doubt a natural development stage, but when harnessed by totalitarians, becomes a powerful weapon, deployed to control.

And they all think they're motivated by compassion, when actually, they're manipulated because they don't understand what treachery actually means.

Bloody terrifying, tbh.

But because she told him to apologise for asking these questions

Oh yeah, that was incredible. Demanding he apologise for asking questions!

And we've seen that woeful tactic a thousand times. It's nothing new to us. But people watching will be incredulous.

Kit19 Apt analogy. I couldn't agree with you more. Ignorance and self-righteousness are dangerous companions. These young men and their handmaidens exhibit both faults in spades. When will these young women "allies" realise they are being used?

According to a recent report "just 62 per cent of boys aged 16 to 18 said they strongly believe that girls and boys have an equal right to education". How much of an overlap is there between the remaining 38% and those joining the MRA-TRA brigade?

Lisa Nandy is toast.

It was shameful. And not just because she refused to answer what is a simple question

Is it fair for men to compete against women?

But because she told him to apologise for asking these questions, accused him of attacking the trans community by asking these questions and claimed he was unfairly pitting two groups against each other.

You don't need to be university educated to understand that allowing male athletes who identify as trans to compete against female athletes has the inescapable effect of pitting two groups of people against each other.

More sunlight! Excellent.

she and all the others are terrified of the tween zealots in their party arent they? I remember when I read Wild Swans that one of my abiding impressions was the pitilessness of the children and tweens in the Cultural Revolution. Of course they had been deliberately indoctrinated but it really chilled me how they were weaponised to turn on their own parents and teachers.

The woke tween TRA are that same level of pitiless - it doens tmatter what you do, its never enough. I honestly believe that if you gave them everything they demanded, they'd still come up with a new thing the older generation wasnt doing right and needed to be cast out for.

Labour is rife with them and all of the candidates are fighting to ensure they're not the ones being tied to the stake