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Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

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musicposy · 10/03/2020 07:46

He’s trying to push Lisa Nandy as to whether any man can self identify and compete in woman’s sports. He’s actually trying to talk some sense and saying it’s unfair to woman’s rights. Making really good points about trans rights overriding woman’s rights.
She will not give a straight answer to anything.

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SisyphusLangClegRocks · 10/03/2020 13:08

Add to the mix a heated exchange over the place of trans-athletes in sport and the chat on this morning’s show well and truly exploded.

So much so, Lisa called for Piers to apologise publicly to viewers by the end of the debate

Just wow. How much cognitive dissonance does it take to be this blinkered?

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 10/03/2020 13:07

Nandy did try a bit of backing down at a hustings recently, saying to a female Labour member that Nandy’s mum had helped her to understand that women only spaces and services were important to women of the older generation, but it just made Nandy sound ageist as well as stupid.

Collidascope · 10/03/2020 13:05

That story she keeps telling about the "trans girl" in her constituency really does sum it up. The rights of a majority, and even the right to debate, being thrown away for this tiny but oh-so-fragile minority.

SarahTancredi · 10/03/2020 13:02

Just watched it ... and it was far worse for Nandy then I imagined

The story about the child in her constituency didn't even save her this time did it. You could physically see the " oh shit " moment as it ignored and the original question re asked.

She couldnt get a lesbian thrown out this time for extra credit..

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/03/2020 13:02

Even if she's realized that she's wrong, how can she back down now? The rest of the party would eat her alive.

MrsWednesdayteatime · 10/03/2020 12:59

Just watched it ... and it was far worse for Nandy then I imagined. She's read the mood of the general public wrong if she thinks she is representing their views and Piers isn't.

feelingverylazytoday · 10/03/2020 12:56

So if her baby's wristband fell off she wouldn't know if it was a boy or a girl?
Pull the other one, Lisa. We're not fucking stupid, so stop treating us as if we are.

OvaHere · 10/03/2020 12:54

God that clip was unbearable to watch. I really had to steel myself to watch the entire thing.

Nandy has completely boxed herself in and she's deluded if she thinks the majority of viewers agree with her and not Piers.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 10/03/2020 12:53

She also said the wristband only said 'Baby Nandy' and did not say which sex the Nandysporg idenitifed as.

LynnSchmob · 10/03/2020 12:51

She really deserves it to be career ending. Complete and utter traitor who should be ashamed of herself.

Datun · 10/03/2020 12:50

We are designated male or female by the Designator General.

Yes, what an earth was she trying to say about the sex of her baby being on her wristband?

Was she wanting to imply that if it wasn't written on the wristband, she wouldn't have a clue?

Cos, I'm not being funny or nuthin', but that wouldn't surprise me.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 10/03/2020 12:46

We are designated male or female by the Designator General.

greywoollyjumper · 10/03/2020 12:41

Just watched it. Utterly embarrassing. Agreed @eurochick 😭

Needmoresleep · 10/03/2020 12:41

What a car crash...extraordinary viewing

Piers Morgan may be many things but he is an experienced interviewer, understands popular opinion and articulate.

Nandy looked very tense all the way, just watch the way her lips kept quivering, and then it got worse and worse.

The deflections were grim. Morgan's questions were clear. His audience views would have completely understood "is it fair..." Nandy's deflections were all over the place. What is a "straw man" etc. Yes they may be currency amongst those who spend their time debating obscure issues, but they don't work here nor would they work in the pub.

The big take away from this is that she does not have the right political instincts to carry a party to an election victory.

Collidascope · 10/03/2020 12:41

What a cowardly performance that was by Nandy. She looked hugely uncomfortable throughout, and kept accusing PM of creating a straw man argument when he was giving real examples. All she could do was deflect, muddy the waters further, make ad hominem attacks and play at taking the high road. What a joke. And to think I had high hopes for her when I saw her on Andrew Neil.

KimberWozRobbed · 10/03/2020 12:34

Completely off topic but, if anyone's interested, Wild Swans is 99p on kindle this month

Findwen · 10/03/2020 12:34

Domestic violence is awful, wrong - we need to protect women. Yes, women should fight 'former' men in a boxing ring.

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 12:31

Victoria Derbyshire asked her wht there had been no female Labour leaders.

Lisa waffled. My simple answer would be that the female candidates speak loudly about women's rights when it affects them but are bloody hopeless when standing up for other women.

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 12:28

One way to judge a political interview is to watch with the sound down, do not listen to words just read the faces.

Lisa looks very, very worried.

SarahTancredi · 10/03/2020 12:26

She sounded quite tearful towards the end

Probably cos she knows shes well and truly done it now.

No one can take her seriously, the men sat next to her, instead of giving her approval and thanks were just laughing at her.

I think there was definitely the moment of realisation shes basically been had and fallen hook line and sinker for the biggest load of bollocks ever.

Datun · 10/03/2020 12:26

She sounded quite tearful towards the end.

I'm not surprised.

They are all being forced to be publicly accountable for something that destroys women's rights. And has to deny reality whilst doing it.

It would make anyone well up when they realise their career is in jeopardy on the back of it.

teawamutu · 10/03/2020 12:20

She sounded quite tearful towards the end.

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 12:20

Piers is only asking simple questions. A decent interviewer would have followed through on Lisa's lets look at the rules fence sitting and ask why so was so sure that the rules merited the expluslion of LGBA and WPUK members.

Datun · 10/03/2020 12:19

Disgusting Nandy trying to use an intersex person and disabled people as a deflection shield against a simple question.

Yes it's all beginning to look very manipulative. Deliberately leveraging other vulnerable minorities to shutdown discourse.

We see it here all the damn time.

The Script.

DuLANGDuLANGDuLANG · 10/03/2020 12:15

Nandy is an embarrassment.

Such obvious manipulation tactics - she made Piers look like the reasonable one.

To think she was once my first choice Confused