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Piers Morgan with Lisa Nandy on Good Morning Britain

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musicposy · 10/03/2020 07:46

He’s trying to push Lisa Nandy as to whether any man can self identify and compete in woman’s sports. He’s actually trying to talk some sense and saying it’s unfair to woman’s rights. Making really good points about trans rights overriding woman’s rights.
She will not give a straight answer to anything.

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wellbehavedwomen · 10/03/2020 13:40

How can people vote for someone this detached from basic reality? They can't.

Starmer needs the same questioning, yes.

LangClegsOpinionIsNoted · 10/03/2020 13:38

There's a daily express article on this (I don't read it, but it popped up on my suggestion list under Google) which describes it as 'career ending' in both the headline and the main body of the text. Very much written from the perspective of wtf is she on about.

Sunlight sunlight sunlight.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 10/03/2020 13:35

She really sounds like someone who cannot cope outside of woke circles

Isn't that labour member criteria?

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 13:35

" She's so terrified of the intimidating trans bullies who will savage her and take down any hope she has of the leadership"

and Morgan had done his research on this, he knew all the lines she was scared to cross and pushed her towards them.

annapee · 10/03/2020 13:35

Thanks for posting clip.
Astonished that she refuses to answer very straight forward question about whether it's fair for men to compete against women in sports. Everyone knows it's not fair and that women have campaigned for centuries to be able to compete in sports against other women.

Languishingfemale · 10/03/2020 13:34

Doh - that should say Tells lies Blush

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 13:33

" Eww most politicians are refusing to go on GMB"

not sure why she did, she must have knownntrans rights would come up and Morgan would be enjoying himself at her expense.

She really sounds like someone who cannot cope outside of woke circles, it was as if she was expecting Morgan to be reprimanded for bullying. Yes, he is a bully but in this instance it is part of his job.

Languishingfemale · 10/03/2020 13:33

We all know and she knows that men cannot become women. We watch her dissembling, prevaricating and avoiding answering the key questions. And she knows that we know.
She's so terrified of the intimidating trans bullies who will savage her and take down any hope she has of the leadership that she does the very thing that renders her unsuitable for a leader. Tell the truth.
It's actually sad to see.

boatyardblues · 10/03/2020 13:32

I’ve just watched the 9 minute clip. I thought PM’s focussed line of questioning was really effective in shining a light on the issue. The physical advantage and biological distinctions in sport are self-evident, as is the unfairness. Once people grasp that and, for some, the absolutely minimal changes required to transition, it doesn’t take a genius to extrapolate to other settings.

Sport and specifically the Olympics will blow the lid off this & let the sunlight in. If I was a TRA I’d be praying really hard right now that Coronavirus delays or cancels this summer’s Olympics.

JessicaLangoustine · 10/03/2020 13:31

she also had her "this is not fair" face on

And yet if a biological woman has to stand on a 2nd or 3rd place podium spot next to a trans woman in 1st place, wearing the same face Nandy had on, no doubt Nandy would brand her a disgusting transphobe who needs to be expelled from the sport.

nauticant · 10/03/2020 13:31

she also had her "this is not fair" face on

At the moment people who were worried about Brexit and are now very worried about Coronavirus are not that convinced by the effectiveness of a politician doing their "this is not fair" face at a serious problem.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 10/03/2020 13:30

It will never drop, any kind of critical thinking ability is totally gone.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/03/2020 13:29

If you can't explain why you believe something then maybe you don't really believe it after all.

Goosefoot · 10/03/2020 13:27

I keep wondering when the penny will drop for some of these people, "why can I not answer this question in a reasonable way?"

EwwSprouts · 10/03/2020 13:27

RedShoe thanks did not know that. Interesting. So do we know if Kevin M has a preferred candidate for Labour leadership?

ThinEndoftheWedge · 10/03/2020 13:26

She looked like she knew she was talking crap...

zanahoria · 10/03/2020 13:24

Piers can be a right bastard but viewers like right bastards interviewing politicians. Nandy not only looked worried, she also had her "this is not fair" face on. Piers probably has a far better instrinct for what the average viewer thinks is fair - it does not include blokes in women's weightlifting - and he hammered her with it.

Redshoeblueshoe · 10/03/2020 13:23

Eww most politicians are refusing to go on GMB. That's why I said upthread that I think Kevin Maguire persuaded her to do it.

Lamahaha · 10/03/2020 13:17

I kept silently yelling, yes or no, Lisa! Yes or no! Is it fair or isn't it?
And she just waffled on.

EwwSprouts · 10/03/2020 13:16

Has Keir Starmer been on GMB as leadership candidate? I want him to face the same direct questions. Nandy was dire but I think it only fair to see how KS would manage the fence sitting. I worry the female candidates are being given enough rope but he's getting away with flying below the radar on this topic.

MangoFeverDream · 10/03/2020 13:16

I remember when I read Wild Swans that one of my abiding impressions was the pitilessness of the children and tweens in the Cultural Revolution. Of course they had been deliberately indoctrinated but it really chilled me how they were weaponised to turn on their own parents and teachers

Yes substitute the red guards for their glitter family; it’s not a huge stretch

nauticant · 10/03/2020 13:15

You'll be surprised then OvaHere at how much support Nandy got on twitter over that interview. It's mainly against her but it's a long way from being one-way traffic.

She has done very well in keeping hold of support from the "he was very mean to Lisa" community.

BeetrootRocks · 10/03/2020 13:14

'babies are born, they are designated a biological sex, when they grow into adulthood that often becomes problematic. I don't see what's so difficult for you to understand'

For 51% of the babies, that's true!

Oh she didn't mean that did she.

Idea that old school cunty women who don't opt for a special label are 100% happy with the role and rules and value society assigns to us.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/03/2020 13:10

Why should he apologise to viewers for saying what almost all of them believe? Not that he would anyway, which she must know, making the demand a particularly silly piece of performance art.

SarahTancredi · 10/03/2020 13:08

I dont even think its that. It's just a "let's all get then to feel sorry for someone and they will forget that I haven't answered a single question , nor can i" situation.

When the bullshit suicide stats and sob stories are ignored and they carry on asking questions the interview usually falls apart.

They have nothing else

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