Transphobic DD.

Your daughter rocks.

Teacher here. I would arrange a meeting with the HOY. I'd accept that dd should be sanctioned - in line with school policy on swearing & consistently with any other sweary pupil.

Then I'd go full mediaeval whoopass on the school for any suggestion your child should be sanctioned for expressing entirely legitimate opinions in a debate session, led by a teacher in an appropriate forum. Your daughter appears to have said nothing that hasn't been perfectly fairly said in the media - these ARE valid concerns & opinions to hold. I completely agree with her, as you do, but with school I'd just hold the line that she has expressed completely reasonable opinions in a forum which was set up for her to do so, & should absolutely not be punished for this.

If the school is unable to facilitate discussion around this subject then they shouldn't make it a lesson topic.

I suspect the teacher is probably being given a hard time behind the scenes by management for having let things get so heated, so I'd save my ire for senior leadership rather than the unfortunate teacher...

lynzpynz - away with your sensible and measured response to this sensitive topic 😉

Your DD sounds awesome - it's actually really brave to tell the truth in these situations - when you're being called transphobic and uneducated. She's strong willed, and knows her own mind. Well done, OP - great job bringing her up

It's worrying though - the young lad in Scotland who was expelled in that "only 2 genders" debacle. Schools have been fed a load of propaganda on the topic of trans ideology and gender - if you're going to fight this, go in armed with information. Transgender Trend, Women's Place, Fair Play For Women, Safe Schools Alliance, all have great resources.

*female prison/changing room...

I'd support your daughter. X

Other girl needs a detention for misgendering your daughter. That’s highly transphobic and offensive. I mean it’s literal violence! If she isn’t in detention for that then no way should your DD be in detention for swearing.

If some one like Blair white Karen white (I have chosen a well know trans women for arguments sake) for example was sent to a male prison or had to use male changing rooms it would be so dangerous for her a shitload of women.

Corrected that for you. You're welcome.

I am in awe of your daughter, OP! And you, for raising such a heroine.

Too bad the teachers are setting such a poor example. I do sympathise with all employees who have to toe the trans line or risk losing their job and their career. But they could try to be a bit even-handed.

@Zoecarter
Their body, words are very important

I’d also go down down the route of asking what is factually incorrect about what she said.
Get school policy as well, so if it is for swearing you can quote it’s supposed to be 10 mins, not an hour.
Arm yourself with the facts before hand

@Zoecarter
If Blair White is in danger because Blair has been sent to a male prison. Who represents the danger? Just have a think about that for a moment.
It's not transphobic to believe in Biology, Human beings cannot change sex. EVER. it's just not physically possible.
I'll ask you again what sex of person represents a danger to Blair. I'll give you a clue, it's not women.
If you can answer who represents the danger you'll see why Women are up in arms and fighting once again for their rights.
Op your daughter sounds fabulous, well done you.

I have no problem with genuine transgender/body dismorphia, it's self identification that worries me.

Yes this exactly for me. My cousin is transgender and he's been through the entire surgeries. It was a long process but he's happy.

The concerns about self identifying aren't being transphobic. People have a right to be concerned about how men and women can self identify but not actually mean it.

Your DD is fab and if the detention is for swearing then the other girl should also be in detention. I'd want the punishment to be balanced and I'd be having a meeting with the HOY with my daughter present first thing.

Send her a high five from me.

Kids like yours should always speak up. She's telling the truth. You're doing a great job.

She may enjoy listening to this, from about 8 minutes in. Don't call me cis!

Biological even....

Way to go, not why.

If some one like Blair white (I have chosen a well know trans women for arguments sake) for example was sent to a male prison or had to use male changing rooms it would be so dangerous for her

Can you explain why? With reference to external bioligical reality? When you have done that, can you explain cognitive dissonance?

I’m a girl, not a fucking cis girl. If you think people can identify as trans, I identify as a woman. Not a cis woman.
Why to go. I am so stealing this comment.

I have no problem with genuine transgender/body dismorphia, it's self identification that worries me.

You are right to be furious. Ask the school if they're teaching 'post fact' now and how that will work in exams?

I just don’t understand why Mumsnet is so transphobic. If some one like Blair white (I have chosen a well know trans women for arguments sake) for example was sent to a male prison or had to use male changing rooms it would be so dangerous for her. Also I don’t understand the logic of trans men, being transgender works both ways it’s not for men pretending to be women to abuse helpless people. There is no empathy being showed to people who struggle in there own body.

Your daughter sounds great. 🙌🏻

Good on your daughter. Don't let this go. If the detention was for having a valid stance against the transactivist then it's completely wrong. If it was for swearing, then the detention would be warranted but the other girl needs the same detention. Too many who have valid points are being labeled transphobic and it is a damaging term for women, as a pp said.

OP, you need to be proud of your daughter, she is right, and she is very brave.

I think I would ask the school to discuss the difference between transphobia and disagreement with identity politics. For a child to be called transphobic in error highlights a hole in the understanding of the pupils and potentially the member of staff leading the class.

The judge in the Harry Miller case discussed it quite succinctly....

The term transphobic is more dangerous to women than any other term at the moment.

I disagree. It’s so overused that it’s become completely meaningless.