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Labour suspends Trevor Phillips because he identified who made up child grooming gangs

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jadefinch · 09/03/2020 07:21

Trevor Phillips is the former chair of the Equality and Human Rights Commission - and he's recently been accused of 'transphobia' for saying women's same-sex spaces should be protected.

He's now been suspended by Labour for accurately saying that the majority of members of northern grooming gangs, which sexually abused tens of thousands of vulnerable girls, were Pakistani Muslim men.

One of the main reasons why the girls were put at risk was because the police and local authorities didn't want to intervene in case they were accused of Islamophobia.

Labour's war on both women and the freedom to say things that are true is not going away.

news.sky.com/story/labour-veteran-trevor-phillips-suspended-over-islamophobia-allegations-11953457

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RoyalCorgi · 09/03/2020 08:23

When are Labour going to realise that their twin crusades of transphobia and Islamophobia don't even sit well together?*

This is what I find hilarious. It's so obviously the case, if anyone thinks about it for even a moment, that the vast majority of Muslims aren't going to along with allowing men who self-identify as women into women's spaces. How many Muslim parents are going to be completely on board and relaxed with a teenage boy (however much he imagines himself to be a girl) using the girls' changing rooms?

My guess is that, given the choice of which one to ditch, they'll cling on for dear life to gender ID. We've already seen in Birmingham that Muslim parents unhappy with the No Outsiders teaching programme are being accused of being "bigots". In the hierarchy of oppression, trans people are the Most Oppressed Of All.

DontFretJuliette · 09/03/2020 08:21

TorkTorkBam I couldn't disagree more in the politist of ways.

Labour know they do not represent the white majority anymore, I live in Rochdale and I can assure you they are only hanging on to the red wall because of the block Muslim majority vote in many areas in Manchester, hence why GMCA surpressed the fact finding reports until they had no choice and have still not held anyone to account over the Grooming scandal, despite recent lip service by Andy Burham.

theflushedzebra · 09/03/2020 08:19

He did indeed assist in writing the Equality Act.

He also warned that the way it was written could cause problems along the line.... as it has.

HepzibahGreen · 09/03/2020 08:16

This is insane. This is from the Times article he wrote:
Significantly, my indictment concerns matters of faith, doctrine and dissent. It is written, not in the language of a democratic, open political movement but in the cold-eyed, accusatory prose of the zealot. In essence, after more than 30 years of promoting the Labour cause, I am accused of heresy, and threatened with excommunication.
He's dead right, the Labour Party are behaving like paranoid religious nutters. It's actually quite scary. If they are going to come for Trevor Phillips of all people, who are they coming for next?

TorkTorkBam · 09/03/2020 08:15

Phillips was on R4 Today about 20mins ago. Good interview.

Today is getting its mojo back. More of issues being properly discussed. For while it felt like they had only two modes: "Hollywood" lines of questioning or trying to corner the interviewee into a juicy unrepresentative sound bite.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 09/03/2020 08:14

We need a new left wing party. I'm no longer convinced that Labour can come back from this.

Clymene · 09/03/2020 08:14

God I'm cringing with embarrassment for them. The Labour Party is becoming like a student union run by Rick from the Young Ones.

Lordamighty · 09/03/2020 08:13

Unfortunately intolerant zealots have taken over the Labour Party & their view is the only one allowed. Anything outside the groupthink is bigotry.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/03/2020 08:13

He made an excellent, measured programme on channel 4 a few years ago about the overreach of identity politics. Genuinely shocked at this.

stillathing · 09/03/2020 08:11

When are Labour going to realise that their twin crusades of transphobia and Islamophobia* don't even sit well together? When they do realise how will they decide which to ditch? Will be fascinating to watch.

My child attends a school where most families are Muslim. There's no way they'd accept boys being allowed to change with the girls if they don't feel like a boy.

*Disclaimer: I do think Islamophobia is an issue sometimes. I don't necessarily agree with TP on poppies. But child abuse - of children of all backgrounds and overwhelmingly by males - is a huge issue and no class of person should be considered so beyond reproach we cannot discuss their potential involvement. The concept of transphobia has been so distorted I'm not really sure what it means any more.

Cuntysnark · 09/03/2020 08:11

It is Nick Ferrari.

Cwenthryth · 09/03/2020 08:09

Is it Nick Ferrari on LBC at this kind of day? I can’t always stand him first thing in the morning but he’s always interesting to listen to, even when you disagree with him on most things.

DontFretJuliette · 09/03/2020 08:08

Labour know their majority vote in small towns like mine, rely on the Muslim vote to maintain power and I feel they have Scapegoated a decent man in the name of Islamaphobia for this reason.

Sarah Champion and others have said exactly the same and not faced consequences, and she found a balance to address the difficulties of CSE issues and take action, without offending anyone in a way that is palatable to all communities.

TorkTorkBam · 09/03/2020 08:08

Labour is moving towards being the party of white men telling everyone else what they are allowed to talk about.

ThinEndoftheWedge · 09/03/2020 08:07

He also stated that males shouldn’t go into female single sex spaces if they still have their ‘wedding tackle’. Whilst removing the ‘wedding tackle’ doesn’t make males females, he’s clearly GC.

donquixotedelamancha · 09/03/2020 08:03

In fairness, they also accused him of:

Saying that Muslim communities 'don't see the world in the same way as other communities'.

Saying that being Muslim is not a race.

Generally pointing out that different groups in the UK have different values and sometimes these values conflict.

Criticising the Labour definition of Islamaphobia, in a report about Islamaphobia for the Labour party.

Worth pointing out that Phillips is the longest serving chair of any equality organisation in the UK. He is currently deputy chair of the equality standard. He is the architect of the equality act.

The quotes used against him are taken (without context) either from documentaries or from lengthy reports about equality and human rights.

It appears that nobody made this complaint, the Labour party spontaneously decided to investigate him. Labour have told him that he must not quote the allegations against him and if he needs support he should contact the CAB or Samaritans.

The only other person to accuse him of racism was BNP leader Nick Griffin.

Cuntysnark · 09/03/2020 08:03

Trevor is, I’m sure, doing the rounds but a heads up that he’s on LBC at sometime in the next hour. I’m very interested in hearing him speak.

Cwenthryth · 09/03/2020 07:51

This is an hour long but I remember watching it at the time and finding it somewhat of a revelation, I’m sure it’s relevant now. Uncomfortable watching at times.

“Things We Won’t Say About Race That Are True” - 2015 documentary by Trevor Phillips

Jennie Formby, Labour’s general secretary, suspended Mr Phillips as a matter of “urgency to protect the party’s reputation”
Yes that caught my eye as well Errol! Trash the party’s reputation more like Sad

MarieG10 · 09/03/2020 07:50

Well just another granade for them to self Implode. This just demonstrates what an utter sealed cocoon they are all living in. No doubt Kier Starmer will say nothing in fear of losing votes whereas a real potential leader would come out and say "if I'm voted as leader he will be immediately reinstated"

Oh well...definitely 10 years of Conservative rule

endofthelinefinally · 09/03/2020 07:50

Didn't he write the equality act?

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2020 07:48

Xpost . A lot of us joining more dots today re the current Labour Party.

wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 09/03/2020 07:47

They're an absolute joke.

Languishingfemale · 09/03/2020 07:47

He has recently spoken out about the dangers of identity politics. This is an unbelievable action by the LP - talk about confirming their unsuitability to govern.

ErrolTheDragon · 09/03/2020 07:46

Jennie Formby, Labour’s general secretary, suspended Mr Phillips as a matter of “urgency to protect the party’s reputation”,

Their reputation for what exactly would that be?Hmm

I'm not sure the Times links above included this background piece :

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/labour-suspends-race-pioneer-trevor-phillips-over-islamophobia-claims-m7qzzqz8d?shareToken=7d34dab9d452a88b256ae21d65f47781

And one from Phillips himself, in the comment section:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trevor-phillips-how-i-fell-victim-to-labours-inquisition-9gg9qjk8f?shareToken=525f1bf86166c052db3200e5fb5fc2e4

PreseaCombatir · 09/03/2020 07:43

And there are still people who deny the ethnicity/religion of these men played a part in the decisions of the police/local authority

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