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Happy International Women's Day!

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theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:10

Happy Day all you adult human females!

Men cannot be women.

Woman is not some man's feeling.

This day is for WOMEN. Wine Thanks

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 10/03/2020 10:37

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R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 10:04

Demonstration by radicalhag of how hard-fought for women's protections in the workplace are undermined by trans rights activism & the denial of sex.

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1235623170339672065.html

from thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3844111-Radicalhag-being-fabulous-again

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 10/03/2020 09:57

Maybe just like you say you feel here, they're fed up of being treated as lesser

They’re not lesser, just different and that’s why they have their own day/month/support groups/rules/rights/financial grants, etc. They don’t need to be included in the ONE DAY for women. They want everything else we have, so they can back off and leave us in peace for one day.

FlockofGulls · 10/03/2020 09:53

Maybe just like you say you feel here, they're fed up of being treated as lesser

One day, just one day out of 365, for women (adult human females) to be centred.

Winesalot · 10/03/2020 09:50

I, for one, am always happy to have my opinions challenged in a constructive way with a reasoned point of view. It is now how I feel able to post on these boards. There are a few people who do pop up on a good proportion of these threads that state their contrary opinion. And while that opinion is welcome, they then take a goady argumentative tone and never seem to add anything of substance beyond, 'what about' or 'you are mean'. As I am new to this cognitive dissonance of a gender ideology #nodebate non debate, I have realised, that absolutely no one that comes here to give a negative view can back it up with robustly reviewed science or reviewed statistics.

OnlyTheLangoftheTitBerg · 10/03/2020 09:27

Willis doesn’t like women discussing the pushback against their own rights. That much is abundantly clear across umpteen threads. Beyond that, Willis doesn’t seem to have much new to say. If/when they do, it might be worth engaging. Until then, I’ve had enough of variations of “bad wimminz making the mighty penis have a sad! No head pats for you” bollocks.

DrySnitch · 10/03/2020 09:25

You're right floral, and MN have just confirmed they dont have an issue with the goading and baiting either, so theres very little point in sticking around.

R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 09:21

Ive just posted Magdelen Bern's video about Alex Drummond (Stonewall's trans advisory group) self-belief that theyre, 'widening the bandwidth of what it is to be a woman' on another thread.

'What Kind Of Fools Do Transgender UK and Stonewall Take Us For?'

FloralBunting · 10/03/2020 09:19

I'm not going to issue edicts to other women, and everyone is free to respond to whatever they wish, but in the spirit of solidarity, I'd just like to underline that no one is obliged to spend their time responding to someone who has made it repeatedly, and abundantly clear that they do not wish to really engage in productive conversation and always takes the contrary position to women's rights here. Your time is as precious as anyone else's, wins, so feel completely justified in not wasting it.

I'm going to enjoy a day off watching movies and drinking tea, because it's a much better use of time. See you all later!

Sheheshee · 10/03/2020 09:16

Awww look who made it into Fox Fisher’s ‘My Genderation’s’ IWD video. Bless.

Happy International Women's Day!
DariaWalker · 10/03/2020 09:13

It isn't goading to have a different viewpoint from the majority, though?

It is goading, unless you explain how and why you have developed your viewpoint so that it can be more fully understood and examined, and points on the development of your thinking discussed with you.

DrySnitch · 10/03/2020 09:12

wotcha it's not that you have a different view, its you are deliberately goady and antagonistic in expressing it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/03/2020 09:11

I really suggest it's better to ignore. Willis has never managed to come up with a coherent argument or definition across about 5 different usernames.

DariaWalker · 10/03/2020 09:09

I replied to you with the bit you've just copied and pasted again already.

I do not believe you did answer it. I have reviewed the thread and cannot see it. If I am wrong perhaps you could copy and paste your response here?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 10/03/2020 09:08

It isn't goading to have a different viewpoint from the majority, though?
All I did was put what I thought Ellie's tweet was as other people had and you get jumped on.
(Not DARVO, happened.)

DrySnitch · 10/03/2020 09:06

And so the goading of GC women persists, but @mnhq will do fuck all about it as per..

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 10/03/2020 09:05

That wasn't what I was replying to though - it was the Ellie's tweet bit.
I replied to you with the bit you've just copied and pasted again already.
Was my reply there not Borg like enough either or what?

DariaWalker · 10/03/2020 09:02

And they say discussion or other viewpoints are welcome on this board.

Yes, it is and they are. That is not what you do though, is it? You do not engage in discussion. You do not express a viewpoint. What you do is toss in carping comments intended to antagonise.

Let's hear your viewpoint.

The other day I pointed out the illogical nature of opposing the statement "woman: an adult human female" on the grounds it excludes transwomen; viz

"Here is the logic of your argument:

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen".

Therefore "transwomen" are not female [so they must be male].

Including "transwomen" [who are males] as women [who are females] does not erase the sex class that is female."

There was an opportunity there for you to offer a reasoned response to that. You avoided that opportunity.

You have no interest in genuine discussion, it seems to me.

FloralBunting · 10/03/2020 08:47

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/03/2020 08:41

Its always telling that some males struggle not to be centred for one day Willis

Isn't it.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/03/2020 08:40

I read Ellie's tweet as a joke

I read Ellie as a joke.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 10/03/2020 08:40

Sorry bored now
FFS lol.
And they say discussion or other viewpoints are welcome on this board. Oookay
I was literally only replying to someone saying they didn't think it was a joke and putting my take on it across.
Not the "right" Borg answer though by the looks of it.

LynnSchmob · 10/03/2020 08:39

The worst think that women can do on IWD is make a penis owner feel bad about themselves 🤦‍♀️

R0wantrees · 10/03/2020 08:36

wasn't this whole thread right from the OP set up to make trans women "feel like crap" though?

Its always telling that some males struggle not to be centred for one day Willis

"What's the history of IWD?
International Women's Day (IWD) has been observed since the early 1900's - a time of great expansion and turbulence in the industrialized world that saw booming population growth and the rise of radical ideologies.

1908
Great unrest and critical debate was occurring amongst women. Women's oppression and inequality was spurring women to become more vocal and active in campaigning for change. Then in 1908, 15,000 women marched through New York City demanding shorter hours, better pay and voting rights.

1909
In accordance with a declaration by the Socialist Party of America, the first National Woman's Day (NWD) was observed across the United States on 28 February. Women continued to celebrate NWD on the last Sunday of February until 1913.

1910
In 1910 a second International Conference of Working Women was held in Copenhagen. A woman named Clara Zetkin (Leader of the 'Women's Office' for the Social Democratic Party in Germany) tabled the idea of an International Women's Day. She proposed that every year in every country there should be a celebration on the same day - a Women's Day - to press for their demands. The conference of over 100 women from 17 countries, representing unions, socialist parties, working women's clubs - and including the first three women elected to the Finnish parliament - greeted Zetkin's suggestion with unanimous approval and thus International Women's Day was the result.

1911
Following the decision agreed at Copenhagen in 1911, International Women's Day was honoured the first time in Austria, Denmark, Germany and Switzerland on 19 March. More than one million women and men attended IWD rallies campaigning for women's rights to work, vote, be trained, to hold public office and end discrimination. However less than a week later on 25 March, the tragic 'Triangle Fire' in New York City took the lives of more than 140 working women, most of them Italian and Jewish immigrants. This disastrous event drew significant attention to working conditions and labour legislation in the United States that became a focus of subsequent International Women's Day events. 1911 also saw women's Bread and Roses' campaign.

1913-1914
On the eve of World War I campaigning for peace, Russian women observed their first International Women's Day on the last Sunday in February 1913. In 1913 following discussions, International Women's Day was transferred to 8 March and this day has remained the global date for International Women's Day ever since. In 1914 further women across Europe held rallies to campaign against the war and to express women's solidarity. For example, in London in the United Kingdom there was a march from Bow to Trafalgar Square in support of women's suffrage on 8 March 1914. Sylvia Pankhurst was arrested in front of Charing Cross station on her way to speak in Trafalgar Square.

1917
On the last Sunday of February, Russian women began a strike for "bread and peace" in response to the death of over 2 million Russian soldiers in World War 1. Opposed by political leaders, the women continued to strike until four days later the Czar was forced to abdicate and the provisional Government granted women the right to vote. The date the women's strike commenced was Sunday 23 February on the Julian calendar then in use in Russia. This day on the Gregorian calendar in use elsewhere was 8 March.

1975
International Women's Day was celebrated for the first time by the United Nations in 1975. "

FloralBunting · 10/03/2020 08:36

Sorry, bored now. Can't be arsed to waste more time with you. Have a nice day.

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