assigned at birth - and form filling

DD had to go to paediatric A and E this week for a minor fracture. We got a survey asking about the experience, filled in some positive comments, and then noticed they asked us to tick girl/boy/non-binary. FFS! I wrote that the last category was nonsensical as they only treat male OR female patients. I am despairing at the relentless creeping progress of this kind of shit.

I find that putting MYOB as a reply to impertinent questions never gets any comeback.

That's my stock response too. Gets up my snout that so many organizations assume the right to any information they want about people, just because they ask for it (and that's a general complaint, although the gender identity/sexuality thing is a particular bugbear). They also look genuinely nonplussed when I ask them the perfectly reasonable question of 'why do you want to know?' Nosy blighters; what's it got to do with them?

Hi HDDD

I challenged the Bar Council and Bar Standards Board to explain why they were asking barristers about non-protected characteristics instead of protected characteristics in a form (thread here: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3827367-Calling-all-barristers)

I got a response saying they were going to review the questions that would appear on the form in future years.
They suggested an alternative to 'assigned at birth' could be 'registered at birth'. Asking whether your gender is the same as the sex you were registered at birth seemed like an ok compromise to me (as long as participants are asked for their sex in a separate question).

God, imagine if they were just straightforward and asked how masculine or feminine you are and what genitals you have?

What about, "sorry, I don't understand the question?". I like the thought of ringing up HR, and getting them to explain the question to you, as if you genuinely do not get what they are on about.

@MrsJoshNavidi I would be really stuck on that one. I mean, male because I don’t wear makeup or heels and rarely wear skirts or dresses? That’s not at all what they mean though

I've just completed an m&s survey which asked for the gender I most identified with 😡

I find that putting MYOB as a reply to impertinent questions never gets any comeback.

I had that exact question on a form recently and couldn't answer it. I don't have a gender identity and don't believe in the associated ideology. Therefore, as I said on another thread, it's like asking a lifelong atheist 'is the church you currently attend the same as the one you were baptised in?' Neither 'yes' nor 'no' is a correct answer.

My mother assures me that I was observed female at birth. There was nothing arbitrary or discretionary about it. So she says.

Ah so it's not just my council then.

I filled out a job application recently for a council and they asked if I 'identified as the gender assigned to me at birth.' I ticked prefer not to say- not playing those games. I'd love to challenge it though.

@Languishingfemale I think my cat identifies as fabulous otherwise his sex is a boy.

@HDDD does it begin with a E?

Why not just say "Do you identify as transgender or transsexual?". Asking questions like "Does your gender identity match the gender you were assigned at birth?" is actually exclusionary. My older relatives would have no idea what this question means. Plenty of people with English as a second language or limited literacy levels would also struggle with this. I went to a local meeting and we were all asked to introduce ourselves with our pronouns. Half the room had no idea what they were talking about (particularly the older members of the group) and it was incredibly awkward and embarrassing for everyone involved.

Just looked at a pet insurance form asking for the the gender of a cat

Aside from the obvious that OP/PP’s have already alluded to - how exactly are they going accurately define record sexual orientation:

Sex- (born) - male
Gender Identity - female
Sexual orientation -gay woman / lesbian.

No accurate monitoring for equalities then...

I am pleased to see it at least has sex on there with gender separate. But surely that gender question should have been placed under ‘Religion or belief’?

Let's make our form more inclusive by ensuring that only people with an up to date knowledge of the latest gender theory and a good grasp of the English language can fill it in.

I think I know which council this is.

Found it, thanks. Absolute gibberish

A big bugbear of mine is that according to the gender people, being trans means your gender does not match with the sex that you were (randomly) assigned at birth. At the same time, sex does not equal gender and furthermore a trans person has always had the gender identity that they identify as having because that's their true, inner self. So a trans identifying person could say that their gender identity matches the gender they were assigned at birth. It's a pointless question.

The NHS did this when I when to get my depo injection. Really stupid form. I was a bit ranty to a friend on whatsapp about it (it was a drop in clinic and a long wait) so I've just looked up the messages.

[I'm assuming the question was Gender]: Male (including transman)/female (including transwoman)/non binary/intersex/prefer not to say

'Is this the sex you were assigned at birth?'

'Who do you sleep with? Men (inc transmen)... etc etc'

As I assume biological males can't have the depo injection I was a little bit