Drag Queen fuming after being told to leave the ladies loo.

but their mad ideology won’t wash with a Weegie bouncer.

Glasgow has an honourable record of not giving in meekly to intimidation. Anyone remember the terrorist attack on Glasgow airport, foiled by the baggage handler who beat the shit out of the guy and then warned future potential attackers:
“ This is Glasgae- we’ll set aboot ye!”

Nice to see that robust spirit alive and well! TRAs may have captured the southern metropolitan woke, but their mad ideology won’t wash with a Weegie bouncer.

Sounds like the bouncer made the right call 👍

However, at work we have to deal with people in the fairest way we can, and its something we will come across more and more.

So, does that mean if I come to you and complain that I’m not comfortable with a male born person who identifies as trans being in the toilets, will you tell them to leave? After all, it’s toilets designated for females, so that’s only fair.

"finding out what happen's in the Ladies"

Ugh. This obsession with the fantasy and fetishising of women's lives is beyond pervy.

NRTFT, but why do males think they get to go in the women's just because they are dressed as women?

Where has this narrative, or "rule" been dreamed up? Because nobody asked me!

On the other side of the coin is David Thomas - a men's rights activist in the 90s - who is documenting their transition in the Telegraph, but states he's still living as a man. But still thought he could go in the women's, wrote a list of all the toilets he has been in - and still thought it fine to talk about "finding out what happen's in the Ladies" and creepy stuff like that. If that's not a fetish, I don't now what is.

I tell you what, I'm bloody sick of males who think they can dress as women and use women's facilities!

Surely a drag queen has used the men's many, many times in their life, where you actually have men standing right next to you while you take a piss? Do they complain about that? The bouncer was right to check. That's their job. No way should they have been in the women's toilets.

@testing987654321One of the responses on that twitter topic is:

“Things change”

This was in response to someone saying that there are two genders and if you have a penis you use the Male toilets.

That thread is making me so angry.

I don’t believe that a bouncer would look into a women’s cubicle without calling out a couple of times and being ignored.
I’d like to know which toilets this guy used at the primary school!

Otherwise known as "it's 2020 our brains have fallen out"

The last time I told someone on Twitter that men can’t have babies, I was told by many people that “it’s 2020 men can have babies too!“

flowjob: "are you just jealous that this women (sic) still have a bigger dick than you"

Flowjob is very good at being a competitive man, is anyone going to tell flowjob that women don't have penises, that's why he isn't one.

If you can urinate like a man ie via an appendage called a penis then you should use the appropriate penis oriented facilities regardless of what where or who you identify as. It really is that simple.

Glasgow.

I thought flowjob lived in the UK. What is all this "bathroom" nonsense? There is no reason for a male drag artist to be in the women's toilets. The whole point of drag is that it's a man "dressed up" as a woman. I very much doubt Ru Paul goes in to women's toilets (or bathrooms as he does live in America)

whether there were women in there who would have indicated which cubicle he'd gone into, or whether the place was empty and there was only one closed door, so the bouncer wanted to check he hadn't pushed a woman in there and had a hand over her mouth.
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I suspect here 'knocked on the door & said "oi oi are you all right in there? Can you come out please, we've had a complaint"' is identifying as cubicle peering.

Well, actually, I suspect this entire incident is Identifying As A Thing That Happened, but whatever.

This! The people on this thread who are suddenly more concerned about a dishonest man's account of what a bouncer did or didn't do than the fact the dishonest man was in the women's toilets are kidding themselves if they think the bouncer is the bigger problem.

You're a bouncer. Women have complained about a man in the women's toilets. (Is he in drag or just dressed as a man?) You go in. You call out. Any answer? Have you been ignored? Have you dealt with assaults and overdoses in toilet cubicles in the past?

What do you do? Just stand and wait? For how long? Have you asked women to leave the toilet? Is there another toilet for them to use? How long are you going to wait to see if the person ignoring you is dead or has someone else in there?

Interested to hear what some people's preferred rules of engagement are in this situation.

@Only

It does indeed.

then it is down to the management of the venue to make the decision if they can use the female toilets.

I hope the management team includes some female perspective in that decision making process, and invites feedback from their female clientele.

@Datun sorry I see what you mean. I do see where you are coming from, but as, in general terms, women are more at risk from men, than vice versa, men wont likely see it from that angle.

I dont disagree with you tho.

I’m going to look for a thread about the Equality Act, because I know they’re wrong, but I don’t know enough about the law to say where it says it.

I'm not sure that toilets are actually covered by the equality act. I think it's more of a cultural convention thing. I'm pretty certain though that the owner of an establishment such as a casino can ask anyone to leave their premises or any part of their premises for pretty much any reason at any time. So my understanding is that someone refusing to leave the ladies toilets when asked would be the one breaking the law.

So while transactivists incorrectly throw around lots of distracting claims about what is and isn't legal, the real war, the culture war, over what is culturally acceptable is being obscured. My point being, as long as women don't want people who are obviously men in their toilets, cultural conventions (and bouncers keen to keep patrons happy) will keep them out, but the minute people start (erroneously) believing they have some sort of "right" to be there the culture war will be lost.

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@Datun most of the blokes usually find it amusing, but if its not acceptable behaviour from men, why would we accept it from women?

I don't think you should accept it from women. At all. I'm seeing it as a means to make men understand that, if they feel uncomfortable because a woman is in their bathroom, imagine how much greater discomfort a woman will feel when it's the other way round.

A lot of men don't seem bothered by this at all, because they're not in the slightest inconvenienced themselves.

Why should a female member of staff have to deal with a gobby and potentially violent man? They don't get paid enough for that nonsense.

And in an ideal world, a female staff member would enter the toilets first, with us following, but it does depend what we are going to deal with. I can only speak for myself, but I would feel uncomfortable with just going into a female toilet without at least giving some prior warning.

Don't get me started on 'transwomen periods' and 'ovary-sacks'

I thought I'd heard it all but ovary sacks is a new one for me. Christ.