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Transgender brains are more like their desired gender.

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tallyfive · 06/03/2020 08:10

www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/05/180524112351.htm

Just wondering what people think about this? (I know it's a relatively old article, but I just wanted opinions)

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definitelygc · 06/03/2020 09:18

I suspect what is happening is that there are a load of kids whose brains/behaviours don't fit the stereotypical masculine and feminine boxes. Many of those kids now believe this makes them transgender. This study is picking that up.

But instead of concluding

  • there are plenty of girls whose brains appear like "boys' brains" therefore the idea that there are stereotypically boys/girls brains is clearly nonsense

They are concluding

  • yep their brains are in the wrong body
Nicepud · 06/03/2020 09:16

That study can't be true, mainly because gender is utter bollocks.

Dies my brain look different depending on whether I prefer wearing makeup or a hard hat? Skirts or jeans?

definitelygc · 06/03/2020 09:05

This study looks incredibly flawed to me. Even if the following were true:

  • transgender adolescents have brain patterns similar to the opposite sex

Then there is nothing to show that non-trans adolescents don't have brain patterns similar to the opposite sex. I am female, I have high visual/spatial awareness, I am a computer programmer and studied a STEM subject at university. I think it's highly likely I would be told I have "male brain patterns" but I am not transgender.

What they're picking up on in this study is that plenty of girls have "male pattern brains" and plenty of boys have "female pattern brains". In which case the idea of a gendered brain is nonsense.

The related article listed directly underneath this one says:
"New research comprehensively examined the brain development of young boys and girls. Their research shows no gender difference in brain function"

PaleBlueMoonlight · 06/03/2020 09:05

Indeed. If a man has brain which is closer to that which is more usually typical of a woman that merely means that there are a wide range of male brains.

ShootsFruitAndLeaves · 06/03/2020 09:00

This is agenda pushing

Note that earlier studies suggest differences between straight and gay people www.nationalgeographic.com/science/phenomena/2008/06/20/brains-of-gay-people-resemble-those-of-straight-people-of-opposite-sex/

If an FTM child has a brain closely resembling a lesbian child, and said FTM child turns out to be attracted to girls, does that prove that lesbians are actually men?

Unless you want to deny homosexuality and make gay people straight by changing their gender, that seems to be the conclusion.

Just more proof that transgenderism is homophobic.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 06/03/2020 08:39

Whatever someone's brain is like, it has nothing to do with their reproductive sex. If there was a clear male brain and female brain (which there isn't) then it would merely be a secondary sexual characteristic, like breasts or facial hair. We do not determine someone's sex by whether they have breasts (the medical condition is gynecomastia in men) or can grow a full beard (hirsutism). Sex is about reproductive class.

JillAmanda · 06/03/2020 08:33

I don’t get what they think it proves.

Did they have control groups including for instance girls who have excellent spatial awareness who DONT have gender dysphoria?

borntobequiet · 06/03/2020 08:28

A brain is an organ, like a kidney, heart or skin. If it's in a female body it's a female brain. If in a male body, it's a male brain. Bodily organs aren't gendered as gender is a social construct, not a physiological term.

Babdoc · 06/03/2020 08:27

I’d be interested to see if the researchers included a control group of gay and lesbian subjects. I expect their brain response to a “pheromone” would perhaps be different to their same sex peer group too.
How did the researchers exclude trans patients who were actually gay and in denial, or raised by homophobic parents?
And how did they control for the presence of environmental bias due to their upbringing?

thirdfiddle · 06/03/2020 08:23

There really isn't a lot of difference between male brains and female brains anyway. Small differences in averages and lots of overlap. Certainly nothing that could be used to define categories. There is a difference between male and female bodies. That is what the categories male and female are based on.

ahumanfemale · 06/03/2020 08:20

We are more than our brains. So even if the article is accurate - and I've not read it now, but probably did before - so what?

A man with a brain that shows up as female on a scan is still a man. And vice versa.

And I highly doubt that the impact of Male and female puberty on the brains will have had no effect - and prostate-willy-testicle-havers cannot go through female puberty.

What is wrong with being a feminine presenting man or a masculine presenting woman?

RUOKHon · 06/03/2020 08:18

If a brain triggers all the hormones to take you through a male puberty, then it is necessarily and self-evidently, a male brain.

WoofAndWhiskers · 06/03/2020 08:15

The science behind brains/gender is rubbish. It's not possible to identify whether a person is male or female from looking just at their brain (apart from actual size - and that doesn't change in people who are transgender) so therefore if there is no such thing as a brain 'gender' there is also no such thing as a transgender brain that is more like the brain of one or the other gender.

ClubfootMaestro · 06/03/2020 08:11

Doesn’t change the fact that the oppression of women is rooted in their anatomy and being the sex that reproduces.

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