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Patrick Harvie MSP tweet look at the responses!

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jen1wren · 04/03/2020 22:54

Patrick Harvie πŸ‡ͺπŸ‡ΊπŸŒˆ (@patrickharvie) Tweeted:
An MSP just tried to effectively ban the word cisgender from Parliament. I know & respect that some people don't accept it or identify with it, and I used it yesterday in a way which positively reflected that. But many do identify with it, and that should be respected too. t.co/l8V6wNK4Uo twitter.com/patrickharvie/status/1235263009108480000?s=20

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 22:13

Hm. I used to get emails from scotgreens but not for about 2 years. Maybe they've dug up an old mailing list.

DidoLamenting · 05/03/2020 21:52

Anyone know if you contact your mps do you get automatically put on a marketing database?

I've never had marketing e-mails except from Labour and Conservatives , but I was a member (briefly of both)

I've e-mailed SNP MPs and MSPs loads of times but never had marketing e-mails from them.

Being put automatically on a marketing data base must be a GDPR breach surely?

ScrimpshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 21:46

I have an Exxon email too. I may have emailed greens in the past but don't recognise the name of the MSP on this one. No explanation as to why I'm getting the email.

jen1wren · 05/03/2020 20:23

Yes, Exxon oooh that's weird.
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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/03/2020 20:16

Exxon? Me too.
I don’t recall any previous ScotGreen emails & I haven’t emailed a green MSP (have emailed non green MSPs in the last couple of days though)

jen1wren · 05/03/2020 20:08

This is probably gonna come across as paranoid but today I emailed the presiding officer of Scottish Parliament about Patrick Harvie's use of CIS. Now I've just received a Scottish Green Party marketing email. Never received an email from any party before & don't remember opting into anything from Scottish Greens.

I've been emailing my constituency MSP and list MSPs about the Gender Recognition Reform Bill but none of them are Scottish Greens.

Is this weird? Anyone know if you contact your maps do you get automatically put on a marketing database? Think I'll give them a phone in the morning.

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Thinkingabout1t · 05/03/2020 17:47

I love how they are all 'it's just a descriptor ladies, calm down, I'm going to carry on using it anyway' when women object to cis... But Christ forbid that one uses 'he/him' to describe someone who is male but who 'feels like a woman on the inside'. Tht is 'literal violence'.

Good point, LambriniSocialist, and one that we don't draw enough attention to. We mustn't mention their original name, or call them the sex they are -- if we do, police can record a 'hate incident' against our names.

But they can call us cis-women, menstruators, cervix havers (they treat the English language nearly as badly as they treat women), people with a 'front hole' ... their language oozes disgust for women.

Throughthegate · 05/03/2020 17:30

I do accept some blame if my vote has ever inadvertently helped Harvie to get in! But not lately anyway. I used to like Robin Harper though.

BobbinThreadbare123 · 05/03/2020 17:30

I can't believe chemists think they own this prefix! How dare they?! Wink
It's from astronomy - cis- and trans-Neptunian Objects.
I do not identify as an icy trojan and I never will!

Mockerswithnoknockers · 05/03/2020 17:27

Perhaps that should have been, people get what they vote for, and if they vote for monkeys don't be surprised if they fling shit.

Throughthegate · 05/03/2020 17:26

On that twitter thread someone commented that cis people are not marginalised which almost makes sense when you read it, until you remember that includes all of womankind... it's a very clever use of language actually.

Throughthegate · 05/03/2020 17:24

I'm not sure what "you get what you vote for" means? I'm not thinking of emailing my own MSP (already done that, not happy with response!) but emailing to show support for some others - I suppose I'm asking could just name and address be put on a "horrible feminist alert" due to doing this.
Though I'm probably on one anyway, so should just crack on Smile

LambriniSocialist · 05/03/2020 17:22

I love how they are all 'it's just a descriptor ladies, calm down, I'm going to carry on using it anyway' when women object to cis...

But Christ forbid that one uses 'he/him' to describe someone who is male but who 'feels like a woman on the inside'. That is 'literal violence'. I mean, I'm pretty sure that 'he/him' is 'just a descriptor' for a human who has XY chromosomes, has a penis, and produces sperm isn't it?

It just shows that this whole thing is so not a two way street.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 05/03/2020 17:17

If we email an MSP do they get to read them do you think or does an assistant

It's down to the individual. Govt. Ministers are likely to be busy but might still do some of their own email. The rest will run their offices as they think fit. You get what you vote for.

Throughthegate · 05/03/2020 17:10

I was also a Green-for-my-second vote person in Scottish parliament elections, but I stopped when the insanity and disregard for women became apparent.
Can I ask, if we email an MSP do they get to read them do you think or does an assistant read them first?
I'm just wondering how confidential it is.

Needmoresleep · 05/03/2020 13:36

All this Latin.

It makes you think.....

Was queer ideology dreamt up by a bunch of former public school boys?

(FWIW DCs school had it's own version of Latin. And 'Latin prayers' in their school timetable a couple of times a week. No idea how they pronounced 'cis' and sadly, despite that grounding, I suspect neither DC will have any idea either.)

jen1wren · 05/03/2020 13:13

@335bu Oh, good call. I'll do that too.

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334bu · 05/03/2020 13:11

I sent the presiding officer ( one of my MSps) an email this morning expressing my disappointment at his allowing the use of "ciswomen" in the Parliament . What next can we expect... CisScottish, cis - any ethnic minority/religious group?

jen1wren · 05/03/2020 10:52

I've sent her an email thanking her for standing up for women. All MSPs emails are on the Scottish Parliament website.

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 05/03/2020 10:22

Go on, Elaine Smith!

terryleather · 05/03/2020 10:21

Aww shucks Gibbons ..

It helps having such an inspiring subject for my creativity

Michelleoftheresistance · 05/03/2020 10:16

Well it's satisfying to watch that ratio.

Anti-Woman Activists: You will jump through all these linguistic hoops and use these words for me at all times (here's a list, I will update you as needed) and I will be very upset if you use the wrong ones because it's awful to misgender and label people and not respect their feelings and sense of identity and lived experience.

GC Women: Ok. So don't call me cis please.

Anti Woman Activists: No, we will call you whatever we feel is right for us and how you feel about this is irrelevant, you shouldn't have those feelings, you're bad for minding about this, labels are in our power not yours and we will call you what you are in our eyes according to the evidence.

GC Women: But we can't call you what you are in our eyes according to the evidence? Or expect equal respect and reciprocity? Why is that? And this lived experience and misgendering stuff is obviously all bullshit, isn't it? Because it isn't a belief you have that is general applied to all, it's merely a tool to control others around you to do what you want. Like you keep saying this all about trans people, poor trans people, while at the same time violently berating and threatening trans people who dare say anything different to your political agenda like 'hang on a minute, females are human too, and it's reasonable to think that people identifying as women might give a fuck about the needs and issues of female people'. Wtf? This is only about the politics isn't it? Which are in essence male supremacist.

Anti-Woman Activist: Regan funded nun.

Melioration · 05/03/2020 09:58

In our Latin lessons at school, c was always a hard c, so cis would have been β€˜kis’ Grin

I only did Latin up to 3rd year, but loved it.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 05/03/2020 09:57

Gifted you are terry gifted!

BringbackLang · 05/03/2020 09:56

Honestly, the man is a twonk.