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Anyone doing the Edinburgh protest on Saturday?

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marvellousnightforamooncup · 02/03/2020 19:29

To protest for women's spaces.

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BetsyM00 · 09/03/2020 10:35

Photos and some of the speeches are now up on the FWS website, along with a few video clips of Rhona:
forwomen.scot/08/03/2020/demonstration/

Also, a (brief) mention in the National:
www.thenational.scot/news/18289661.women-democracy-scottish-parliament-theme-iwd/

Mbwashenzi · 09/03/2020 09:12

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons @DancelikeEmmaGoldman @Chrysanthemum5 @ahagwearsapointybonnet @auldcraw thank you.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 09/03/2020 01:23

That was a wonderful speech Mbwashenzi.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 09/03/2020 00:34

Mbwashenzi 👏👏👏💪💪💪

Chrysanthemum5 · 08/03/2020 19:02

@Mbwashenzi thank you for posting your speech great to see it written down

ahagwearsapointybonnet · 08/03/2020 18:26

👏👏👏!

morningtoncrescent62 · 08/03/2020 18:25

I'm fangirling right along with you, ItsAllGoingToBeFine. Thank you for writing and performing it, and uploading it here Mbwashenzi.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/03/2020 18:21

Mbwashenzi

Thank you so much for posting that, it really is an amazing speech, made even more amazing by your anger and passion as you read it. And yes, I am (rightly) fangirling Blush

auldcraw · 08/03/2020 18:20

Mbwashenzi
well done - you did great

Mbwashenzi · 08/03/2020 17:46

@Form1ess thanks for walking to the carpark with me! I did feel a tad conspicuous on my own in that titfer...

@morningtoncrescent62 @marvellousnightforamooncup @ItsAllGoingToBeFine here's my speech. I was so angry I was actually stamping with rage at one point. I'm going to send it to Elaine Smith.

I wrote this after listening to the exchange in Holyrood on March 4th 2020 (3 days ago) in which the impassioned and eloquent Elaine Smith MSP asked that CIS (as previously used by Patrick Harvie MSP) be understood as a term which is offensive to many women, minimising and even erasing sex-based oppression, and that it not be used in the Chamber. ELAINE ASKED THAT WOMEN BE ALLOWED TO CALL THEMSELVES WOMEN. Her request was dismissed and her stance belittled by both Ken Macintosh, the Presiding Officer, and Patrick Harvie, who said that “while I am conscious that there are people who would not welcome the term cisgender being imposed upon them I am happy to say I am a cisgendered man.”

They told me I was a Ciswoman.
I asked what cis meant.
They said, Ciswomen feel no mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
They say, It’s Latin, as though it were the Word of God.
They say it’s just an adjective (actually, it’s a prefix)
They say, It’s not a slur…
It is a slur
It’s a slap in the face
It’s a scold’s bridle
They say, It’s just the opposite of trans.
Cis women, stay in your lane. You have no monopoly on womanhood.
Cis gasps in a too-tight corset
Cis totters on too-high heels
Cis call her make-up her face and won’t leave the house without it
Ciswomen feel no mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
No speedbumps or potholes or square pegs in round holes
Ciswomen flow effortlessly from childhood into womanhood.
No need for de Beauvoir, no painful “becoming”
Just sleep-waltzing into full femininity
Ciswomen KNOW what to do with their hair
No effort, no burden, no caricature
It’s never a drag – it’s just who they ARE
Because they’re worth it.
So, Ciswomanhood is never pushed on girls by advertising,
By magazines, by Tiktok and Tumblr, by mothers
Fearful of what happens to girls who don’t “girl” properly,
By fathers, who approve of pretty compliant girls.
Real Ciswomen
“Feel like a woman” 24/7
HOW EXHAUSTING
Always on show, if only to yourself.
Skimpy clothes, high heels, make up,
Dieting, gossip, doing other women down.
How can Ciswomen be friends with each other?
Form alliances? Build a movement?
Ciswomen LOVE the chains that bind them.
IT WAS BAD ENOUGH
When the Ciswoman was Virgina Woolf’s “looking glass possessing the magical and delicious power of reflecting the figure of man at twice his natural size”
IT WAS BAD ENOUGH
When the Ciswoman was Betty Friedan’s
Smiling middle-class housewife
Her brains curdling with boredom.
No wonder, in this sadistic porn-sick world we have not built,
We are ordered to be Ciswomen.
When #chokemedaddy is a Twitter hashtag,
A schoolyard catch-phrase…
IT WAS BAD ENOUGH
BUT NOW?
Ciswomen feel no mismatch between their biological sex and their gender identity.
Ciswomen feel no mismatch between their biological sex and their performance of femininity.
no mismatch between their biological sex and their drag act.
between their biological sex and their oppression.

So, Patrick. You’re a happy “Cisgendered man”. Yes, I believe it. You’re happy celebrating your place at the top of the hierarchy, shouting women down, silencing us, ignoring us. Fine, Patrick. You do you. But we won’t shut up and we won’t lie down.
We are not your magic mirror. We are not your support humans. We are not your toys.
We are not ciswomen.
We are women.

definitelygc · 07/03/2020 22:19

Jeez that is one of the most sad counter-protests I've ever seen. The aggressive, badly written signs, the 1000 yard stares, the beardy bloke twice their age shepherding them all. As PP said, I can't imagine a much worse advertisement for their side of the debate. It seems the turning tide is washing the rainbow-glitter away and showing this ideology for what it really is.

Sexnotgender · 07/03/2020 22:00

Someone has mentioned on twitter that beardy bloke might be a university staffer?

TheTiaraManager · 07/03/2020 21:36

Well done everyone!

littlbrowndog · 07/03/2020 21:28

You lot all over twitter. 🥰🥰

littlbrowndog · 07/03/2020 21:27

Looked great. You lot owning it

Babysitting good fo4 older 2 kids. No one could take my youngest erm who can be a bit feisty boy.

Maybe I could have brought him. 😣😔

morningtoncrescent62 · 07/03/2020 21:25

Joining in the chorus asking for Mbwashenzi to post her speech. Would ForWomen put it on their website? It won't be the same as watching you delivering it (which was electrifying) but I agree it needs to have a much, much bigger audience.

morningtoncrescent62 · 07/03/2020 21:22

What a brilliant afternoon, full of positive energy, and possibly the friendliest demo I've ever attended. I was on my own which is fine with me, I do lots of things alone, but it's always nice when people are up for having a chat which everyone was. There were some great speeches, and Mbwashenzi blew us all away with her diatribe against Patrick Harvie and the designation 'cis'.

As for the TRAs, I can't imagine why they think their rude and agressive signs (I'm sure my post would be deleted if I said what they were) will make us more inclined to welcome them into our spaces. Beardy bloke attempting to drown out women with his megaphone and bevvy of adoring young supporters wasn't a good look.

And for every one person at the demo there's a small crowd who couldn't be there because job security worries and/or caring responsibilities...the latter disproportionately undertaken by women, and grown ups.

Absolutely, and I was pleased that one of the speakers said so at the end of her speech.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/03/2020 21:17

Mbwashenzi

that was me in the big hat. Thank you!

Is there any way you could post your speech? - it was so so good and deserves a wider audience...

marvellousnightforamooncup · 07/03/2020 21:02

Mbwashenzi, you rock!

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 07/03/2020 20:46

Does anyone know who beardy bloke was? He seemed very incongruous amongst all of the young people.

Form1ess · 07/03/2020 19:42

Hi Mbwashenzi I walked to the carpark with you.
What a great turn out for a quickly arranged demo. Beardy bloke trying to shout down the women speakers was an embarrassment. It must've been a shock for the TRAs to see how easily we out number them.

Sexnotgender · 07/03/2020 19:28

Aye, beardy man was certainly a concern.

Murraygoldberg · 07/03/2020 19:14

Great afternoon, really glad I went, the trans protesters were not much of an advert for their cause. If any of the young protesters were my kids I would be very concerned about the middle age bearded man who was with them

Mbwashenzi · 07/03/2020 19:08

@marvellousnightforamooncup @ItsAllGoingToBeFine that was me in the big hat. Thank you!

Campervan69 · 07/03/2020 19:01

Nicely done women. Saw this poster on Twitter which I completely agree with.

Anyone doing the Edinburgh protest on Saturday?