Poll finds nearly a third of Labour voters may vote for another party over its 'trans pledge'

That vaucuum is potentially risky place.

These are very recent speeches. Waters & Robinson have been listening & are now appealling to Labour & Conservative 'common sense' voters respectively.

to be very clear, by posting links I am not in any way endorsing these groups or individuals. However, I think it very important that people are aware of which groups are seizing the narrative

Ann Marie Waters of 'For Britain'
'Thank you Dawn Butler'

Tommy Robinson of 'Heart of Oak'

Do they have any survival instinct at all though?

Is anyone listening?

Do they even care?

And yet the woke core of the party is still convinced this is an issue that the public support, or can be strongarmed into supporting. Starmer may realise it's not but can't say so without risking losing the leadership vote.

I'd really like there to be a viable non-Tory option for people to vote for but the rest seem determined not to get elected.

Polynerd, I agree with you. I can't find that third in the statistical minestrone the article presents either. Even if the 27% claim was justified (it isn't), 27% is not "nearly a third".

Someone said that the 'true believers' would find a way to dismiss this study. Well I am GC and as a scientist I have to say that this is a very poor study and if the author had calculated statistical significance he would have found none. Just because we are GC doesn't mean we should suspend our critical faculties over the valdities of studies whose outcomes we agree with!

Could always (in time honoured leftist tradition) form a split. "Women's Labour Party" or "Women's Equality Party (Reality-Based)"

Cancelled my membership with WEP last month and told them I am going to give my money to FairPlay for women who are properly advocating for women’s rights. She was not surprised. Said they had received lots of similar calls...

Fighting for women’s rights just isn’t trendy anymore.

This is more of why people are disillusioned with all politicians in general.

@TheRealMcKenna @iguanadonna they are incapable of hearing. i spend literally hours trying to identify the psychology behind it.

@R0wantrees what do you mean the current tory gov is not as secure as past ones?
curious as with their majority andthe labour shambles surely they are very secure no?

The tragedy is that there was plenty of data available to show that this sort of pandering to pressure groups and ‘identity politics’ is exactly why Labour lost in December and the Dems lost in 2016 but they just....won’t.....listen.

If you can’t trust them to protect women, how the hell can we expect them to look after children and the disabled, let alone trust them with the economy and national defence.

Sod that. They lost my vote after 2015 and they’re not getting it back.

I left the party over it. Final straw. Told them why, never got a reply.

This current Conservative government isnt as secure as previous ones.

There’s a reason the Tories are the longest running political party in the country.
The left always seems to eat themselves in the end.

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

That vaucuum is potentially risky place.

I just read a comment from someone that they had absolutely no idea what any of this was about until they were called homophobic by Mhairi Black for objecting to FlowJob being brought into a primary school. There are still massive segments of the population with very scant awareness and no understanding of this issue. Which is why it's such a low figure of 27%.

As more and more things hit the news and the general public find out exactly what 'TWAW' means, that percentage will grow.

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

None. I can't bring myself to vote Tory. I've seen the consequences of austerity up close across several contexts. But I won't vote for any party that promotes naked misogyny, as Labour presently does.

Not voting does allow the Tories in, yes. But they're far more solid on this issue now than Labour (and will increasingly become so, when they see the electoral gains to be made - the Tories are nothing if not electorally savvy). You can support the rights of trans people to live safe and respected lives, without saying sex isn't real and no single sex provision should be allowed to stand if males want to access it on the basis of gender identity. The Tories seem to be inching towards that position, and I won't vote against them, as long as they do. Not while Labour are full of people who'd accept Harvey Weinstein himself as brave and stunning, and would staunchly insist he belonged in a women's jail if he identified as one. I'd never have believed it possible that I could be relieved Labour aren't electable, but here we are.

They hate women. I am one. I don't vote for misogynists. What woman with self respect would?

I'd like to know who they will vote for now. None of the parties are great on this issue.

And yes, I'm surprised it's not more.

And I'm sure it's only because not more people understand that supporting the T in LGBT means subjecting female prisoners to multiple rapists.

The number is only going One Way.

That's really well put.

And it's crazy to have to pander to what is effectively self sabotage.

The position should not be possible.

MaMaLa321

'The leadership and deputy leadership candidates have to get through a square shaped hole to get voted in by the CLP's then through a round shaped hole to get voted in by the electorate'

That's really well put.

They haemorrhaged female voters before the trans pledge idiocy. That was just giving most people who had already left the V’s as we backed out of the door. Labour need a completely clean sheet. Which isn’t going to happen because this crap is too ingrained. We need another Labour Party. With some common sense who actually want to win an election.

Also, Keir Starmer has retweeted an interview with Pink News which he says he supports self id and wants the GRA to go further. Not voting at all in the leadership contests and just hanging on in there for a few more months to see if anything will change.

I would have thought the number should have been higher! Maybe the rest haven’t heard...

Hope some Labour MPs are reading this, so close to giving up on them completely.