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Lisa Nandy knows what a woman is, wants to protect them, but also "twaw"?

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BuzzShitbagBobbly · 01/03/2020 13:03

When I was doing my GCSEs, I had a maths tutor. She would sit with me and patiently go over and over a problem until I had an "OHHHHH!!!!" moment where everything suddenly fell into place, like a camera going into sharp focus.

That's how I feel about Lisa Nandy's inability to see the blatant nonsense of her position when she says stuff like this in the same breath:

“...We’ve failed a lot of women over recent years....It gives the green light to people who harass women"...She says she would allow a committee of women to determine what harassment is..."

"I care deeply about safe spaces for women. I know from personal experience there is a generation of women who fought very hard to create and protect safe spaces, that it matters....But that [debate] has to start with the recognition that trans men are men, trans women are women...”

She is so incredibly, tantalisingly close to having the penny drop, but inexplicably refuses to go there.

(Comments above are snipped for brevity. Full quotes are in the linked article: www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/29/lisa-nandy-if-labour-got-things-right-how-did-we-lose-so-badly-interview )

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Devlesko · 01/03/2020 14:09

She's our MP, she isn't up to much. Sits on the fence about women's issues.
The penny won't drop, and she won't go there because she doesn't believe it, really.
Like any of the others she'll say anything to get your vote.
She was my favourite and I used to admire her, but she just hasn't any conviction in the issues that matter. Such a shame.

Justhadathought · 01/03/2020 14:03

Eventually the trans crowd will turn on her too.....when she back pedals just a little bit too much....Inevitable.

fascinated · 01/03/2020 13:58

Is it that she thinks all transwomen are harmless hapless homosexuals possibly even without bits hence no threat to women? I used to think that.

Mockerswithnoknockers · 01/03/2020 13:55

If she wants to chase votes and play the Northern Card, she could start by calling a spade a bloody shovel.

HermioneWeasley · 01/03/2020 13:52

She knows exactly what she’s doing, she just doesn’t care

Chiochan · 01/03/2020 13:50

chasing votes, nothing more, nothing less.
doubt she gives a shit either way tbh

aliasundercover · 01/03/2020 13:48

that [debate] has to start with the recognition that trans men are men, trans women are women...

...making ‘women’s spaces’ meaningless

BuzzShitbagBobbly · 01/03/2020 13:14

The very crossmaking part is that she's all "yeah, debate, great!...But only as long as everyone agrees with my POV"

That isn't how debate works, Lisa. You don't say "this house believes that cats are better than dogs and that's the end of it, thank you and goodnight!"

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Mockersisrightasusual · 01/03/2020 13:14

In what universe does a debate have to start with a conclusion?

PhonicTheHedgehog · 01/03/2020 13:12

Is she confused? Does she think that trans men are people that are born male? I used to think that until finding you all.

Sexnotgender · 01/03/2020 13:04

It’s so frustrating isn’t it.

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