Women have bodily autonomy wrt their reproductive system. Trans people want that.

I think there are a few problems with what this person is saying, but they are touching on something that is maybe a more fundamental, real, disagreement as well.

For one thing as many have noted, we don't all have the "right" for what are essentially cosmetic procedures funded by the public.

The second is that even if such changes were made, it really is a cosmetic change, not a real change of sex.

The first part is something that seems to come out of lack of information and experience. I've talked to younger people on occasion with similar misunderstandings about medical care and procedures which led them to make strange arguments.

The real question being hinted at though is the idea that we have the right o do whatever we want with our bodies and get other people to help us to it. Some people really see this as total, and think that we should be able to pay doctors or other practitioners to do all kinds of body modifications, remove body parts, and so on.

Other people think that this should be limited in some way, usually mainly by restricting what we allowed to hire people for.

Harrow is making a false equivalency between abortion and hormone treatment for you g people.

A better analogy would be hysterectomy or other forms of sterilization. Many, many doctors refuse to perform sterilization on woman under 35. Grown up, adult women who have either completed their families or never wanted one in the first place are not deemed sufficiently competent to make these decisions by current medical practitioners.

But hey, an 8 year old who believes in Santa and wants to change sex? Sure, they are Gillick competent.

bodily autonomy
bring on the ventouse and the forceps
followed by an arse full of stitches

It's like trying to leave a bad relationship where you find yourself constantly trying to work out the reasons for why their behaviour is strange, trying to make sense of what they say, trying to get a grasp on the situation - and expending vast amounts of mental energy running around focused on them and the wonder and complexity of them, because you have this vain, forlorn hope, that if you just try hard enough you might be able to repair this relationship. That relationship that the other person is taking no responsibility for, and is behaving like a selfish, narcissistic arse

This bears saying again - it's exactly what's going on.

Eight years of periods so heavy I had to have iron/vit injections to make up the loss and so painful I couldn’t sit down. Six operations that ‘would sort it all out’ but didn’t. Finally hysterectomy privately. That’s my experience of bodily autonomy, anyone who wants that is very welcome to it. 😡

The person tweeting that is either joking or has literally no idea of any of the issues women and girls have around reproductive health. Which tbh is not a surprise.

I'd guess the latter - someone who neither knows nor cares about the reality of being female.

Oh lol on AH thread, person saying GC women are anti abortion

Why do the magic-thinkers on twatter have such monumentally shit avatars?

Adrian harrop doesn't think that being forced to bear a child when you are a child is much of a big deal wtf

Not RTFT

that has to be a piss take, right?

Women really struggle to get sterilised on NHS. Women have control over reproductive stuff... Erm abortion has to be signed off by 2 docs otherwise is a criminal act, it's not actually 'choice' there is supposed to be a medical reason, there are limits, and those limits are constantly under attack.

Loads of issues around LTC too long to go into here.

Vaginal mesh scandal, women told they were imagining issues etc

Loads of issues around how we are treated wrt pregnancy, birth, including mental health and injury.

Etc etc

That's in the uk, around the world things really get dismal.

The person tweeting that is either joking or has literally no idea of any of the issues women and girls have around reproductive health. Which tbh is not a surprise.

The insistence against all evidence to the contrary that women and girls get whatever they want is also a key MRA idea.

No, I think it is we demand to have any bits cut off immediately upon demand, paid for by someone else, without question

Railing against suggestions that maybe it is the wrong path, like a bulimic furious at the pharmacist questioning the purchase of laxatives.

Wait, is this the AFTH "we demand the right to do surgery on ourselves and each other because we're going to shut down the gender clinics" thing again?

And I blame sane adults who turn a blind eye to the cults for the sake of an easy life.

That young person on twitter has a poor grasp of reality all round. To me it shows how vulnerable young people who don't feel like they fit in are susceptible to cults. I don't blame the kids, I blame the cult leaders.

Slightly annoyed that yet again I've been sucked into trying to understand .

It's like trying to leave a bad relationship where you find yourself constantly trying to work out the reasons for why their behaviour is strange, trying to make sense of what they say, trying to get a grasp on the situation - and expending vast amounts of mental energy running around focused on them and the wonder and complexity of them, because you have this vain, forlorn hope, that if you just try hard enough you might be able to repair this relationship. That relationship that the other person is taking no responsibility for, and is behaving like a selfish, narcissistic arse.

Must do more chanting of LTB.

Good job no judge in his right mind will take the slightest bit of notice of Harrop.

What bodily autonomy do females happy to call themselves females have that others don't? How does any society group have better or different rights over this?

Females don't have unconditional bodily autonomy as pps say.

If this is about wanting access to a reproductive system not provided by your chromomosomes…. well some things are tough. Crying for the moon is something you needed to learn to get over before puberty, and a good therapist is probably the best option. Disabled people don't get to demand access to other people's legs or hands or health, you have the body and reproductive system you've got. You're not deprived in any way.

If this is a bid that children should be able to control their reproductive systems by hysterectomy/penectomy etc, then no. Same restrictions as all other kids, no unnecessary surgery that ends in loss of function, kids can't possibly weigh that up and know how they'll feel as an adult.

All adults are equally free to do whatever the heck they want to their reproductive system and body to their cosmetic satisfaction within the constraints of the NHS - which does medically essential stuff only - or via private self funded surgery.

This makes no sense.

The fact that you are at the mercy of your reproductive system is one of the central truths of being a woman: the pain, the hormones, male attention, pregnancy and its aftermath, ending with the hot flushes and menopause shit. Autonomy, hah!

Errol it refers to a thing in a video game called Dark Souls. This person is obsessed with not real life.

The twitter thread seems to be unavailable but I'm not sure I want to know what the twitter handle 'FakeEstrusFlask' is about. too much to hope it's a parody account?

I don't understand what bodily autonomy a transwomen or transmen doesn't already have, though? The comment about uteri is weird: could this be uterus envy like women have been told they have penis envy for about 100+ years now?

Nobody has a right to a uterus, especially not a working one - it's just not in anyone's gift. You have one or you haven't; it works or it doesn't.

What am I missing here?

The trans person in question seems to live their life in a fantasy world of sci fi and gaming. No signs of having a life or friends on their twitter. Is sad. Better mental health care is needed for people.

If the trans person in question is an adult they can do what they like with their own body as far as I'm concerned, they just don't get to have access to anyone else's body without their permission.

(To be clear, this includes viewing only access)