What do you think about the rainbow flag?

How exactly do trans women existing "erase women?"

Here is the logic of your argument:

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen".

Therefore "transwomen" are not female [so they must be male].

Including "transwomen" [who are males] as women [who are females] does not erase the sex class that is female.

Seriously? That is your convoluted argument?

Happy International Women's Day, everyone!

No one cares, Wotcha. We disagree. So what. Women here and elsewhere will still stand up for the rights of all female people, whatever you personally think about it. That's feminism.

in so doing erase women

So, seeing as people have already used the "give over" line, I might as well here too.
How exactly do trans women existing "erase women?"
Who's typing this?
I haven't automatically gone pouff out of existence by acknowledging trans women. I'm still here.

A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing

A definition necessarily draws a boundary, violation of which erases that definition.

So it seems that some do want to change the dictionary and legal definition of woman and in so doing erase women.

I get it.
You think
Pens aren't paper
Chairs aren't tables
Trans women aren't women.

We're just going to have to disagree as not all women want to exclude trans women.

yOu'Re ComPaRinG WomEn To pEn AnD PaPEr.

Do give over.

A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing

So now we're comparing trans women to pens or paper.
Well, that's a new one at least.

definition that actively excludes trans women.

A definition of pen excludes paper.
A definition of chair excludes table.
A definition of one thing excludes that which is not that thing.

It’s quite simple really.

There are more of us than you think - and the simple fact that that it comes from the Guardian should tell you enough! Even the leftie newspapers are reporting this now.

PULLLLLLLL By god, it's moving!

Biologically male trans people are not included in the definition of woman for a simple reason. Hope that helps.

I just don't feign innocence and pretend I can't see what's wrong with a definition that actively excludes trans women.

So, you want to change the legal definition of woman?

You want to change: woman - a female of any age?

You want to change the dictionary definition of woman?

You want to change: woman - an adult human female?

Amusingly cross posted

More of a people taking issue with other people wanting to fly a flag that comes across as a transphobic dog whistle

LOL. Someone got out their Big Book of TRA Thought Terminating Cliches!.

Neither do you

I don't claim to.
I just don't feign innocence and pretend I can't see what's wrong with a definition that actively excludes trans women.

And there are more of us that you think

Somebody's eaten a Guardian.

don't speak for all of us.

You are a minority voice here among a majority which disagrees with you.

Might that not be representative of your position here extrapolated to the wider arena?

Anyway, goodnight!

Funny to see the desperate defence, so desperate! of the bleeding rainbow flag!

"than" you think!

Neither do you.

And there are more of us that you think.

This is for women - even the women that don't agree

As I said upthread - don't speak for all of us.

More of a people taking issue with other people wanting to fly a flag that comes across as a transphobic dog whistle

What exactly is a "transphobic dog whistle"?

The flag depicted the dictionary and the legal definition of woman.

How is that definition "transphobic"? You haven't yet explained this. You have said something about "intent". I asked you above why you believe the intent is different from women making their own choice about how they are represented.

You have answered neither of those queries. Perhaps you could oblige us before we proceed any further with this discussion?

No Wotcha, see it for what it is, a MAN telling women what flag is acceptable to fly.

And that is not acceptable. Women are human beings too, who can choose their own fucking flag. Dr Harrop and all his bearded friends can butt out. This is for women - even the women that don't agree - in the great word of Dworkin.

why do men have a SINGLE SAY in what flag women choose to fly on IWD?
Men determining what flags women fly for their day

I don't see it as men telling women what they should be doing or flying in this case.
More of a people taking issue with other people wanting to fly a flag that comes across as a transphobic dog whistle. (Before somebody asks me to clarify, I already did upthread, with intent blah blah and you're not a woman, look our definition says so)
Nothing to do with male against female in this case to me.

Men like Dr Adrian Harrop, that is?

Can you not see this for the age-old misogyny it is? Men determining what flags women fly for their day?

Wotcha, answer me this, why do men have a SINGLE SAY in what flag women choose to fly on IWD?