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What do you think about the rainbow flag?

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DJLippy · 28/02/2020 12:13

Does anyone else get a shudder when they see a rainbow flag outside a venue? Harry the Owl compared it to a Nazi flag and I'm inclined to agree.

I'm Bisexual so I should be thrilled to find all these inclusive spaces but I just feel a stab of anxiety and make a mental note to steer well clear. It's a real physiological reaction not something I can control.

A few years ago I used to love seeing the pride flag outside bars. I guess back then it actually meant something. Now I feel like it's actually a sign of exclusion - that anyone who doesn't believe that twaw is not safe there.

Also it does kind of imply that all the other venues are a threat to the LGBTQI++ people. I actually get a lot less grief being with a woman in a normie bar than I would in a gay bar. What's more its often just random cafes and shops which as far as I am aware have no gay history. Just feels like a cheap virtue signal by straight woke folk.

I'd be interested in hearing from people who are same sex attracted. Do you feel that the flag which used to represent your community been appropriated by male supremacists? Do you self exclude from spaces which fly the rainbow flag?

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OccasionalKite · 08/03/2020 03:17

Yes!

Even Wotcha agrees that women are women, and men are not women! Took a long while, but got there eventually.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 02:12

It is only and always the large gamete. That is what the sex differential is. Females supply the large gamete. Males supply the small gamete.

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 02:06

It's the large gametes then? Grin

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 02:05

Bloody love it Daria

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:54

Today we celebrate the wonder of the sex class who are female:

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/03/2020 01:52

Yes, happy day of ALL women, none of which are biologically male.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:40

I can't have said it any clearer, which is why my original comment was short and little "intent blah blah" as I knew there'd be not much point elaborating as this is what you get, people pretending they don't understand or you haven't just explained.

And yet you persist in avoiding my query to you, which is this:

Why do you believe that the intent is different from women exercising the freedom that autonomy gives to make their own choices for themselves?

You expose yourself as being utterly disingenuous wotcha.

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2020 01:40

Why not just fly an inclusive one for women, of which there already is?

The adult human female flag is inclusive for women. It excludes males. Who by definition, aren’t women. You’re getting closer to that grasp on reality Wotcha, keep going.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:34

all this not accepting trans and feeling threatened and erased by trans women, it's sad that for some a flag of inclusion for all LGBT can ellicit [sic] shudders and fear because of what people read online.

Oh it's way beyond just online.

Stonewall and other organisations which comprise the Trans Lobby actively campaigned directly and in writing to the UK Parliamentary Committee for Women & Equalities to have the single sex exceptions written into the Equality Act 2010 removed.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:32

Why does it have to say anything, let alone all that?
Why not just fly an inclusive one for women, of which there already is?

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:31

Trans rights erase women's rights, Wotcha, let us speak plainly Stonewall are campaigning to get rid of the exemptions under the Equality Act and make 'gender" not sex the protected characteristic. And I will have something to say about that, as will many women.

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2020 01:29

So a flag being flown on International Women’s Day should say:

Woman = adult human female, and adult human males who have a inner feeling of some sort, but not relating to what’s between their legs, more than that

How incredibly celebratory [slow hand clap]

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:28

Wotcha, so you think a flag saying "woman = adult human female" is ok then? You think Dr Harrop was wrong to take it down?

FFS - intent, blah blah.
I can't have said it any clearer, which is why my original comment was short and little "intent blah blah" as I knew there'd be not much point elaborating as this is what you get, people pretending they don't understand or you haven't just explained.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:25

Biologically, yes, they're males.
I'm more than what's between my legs though, soz bout that.
Anyways WTF how has a thread on the bloody rainbow turned into a roundabout trans thread yet again lol -
back on subject, all this not accepting trans and feeling threatened and erased by trans women, it's sad that for some a flag of inclusion for all LGBT can ellicit shudders and fear because of what people read online.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:25

And I refer you to my earlier query which you failed to answer:

"Why do you believe that the intent is different from women exercising the freedom that autonomy gives to make their own choices for themselves?"

Perhaps you could oblige us with an answer now?

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:23

Wotcha, so you think a flag saying "woman = adult human female" is ok then? You think Dr Harrop was wrong to take it down?

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:20

This is YOUR take on what I'm saying, I've said nothing of the sort

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen"

The dictionary definition isn't transphobic, pretty sure I never said it was - yet again I refer you to my "intent, blah blah" comment.

NotBadConsidering · 08/03/2020 01:18

I get it. You think Pens aren't paper
Chairs aren't tables Trans women aren't women

Well done Wotcha you’re finally grasping the concept that things that are defined as one thing, can’t be another thing. Defining things is what helps shape our reality, pretty soon you may have a grasp on that too.

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:18

Transwomen are males, whether you say it/admit it yourself or not, Wotcha

Them's the facts. Sorry. I don't make the rules of biology. They just are.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:16

I refer to my post above:

Here is the logic of your argument:

Woman = adult human female is "transphobic" because it doesn't include "transwomen".

Therefore "transwomen" are not female [so they must be male].

Including "transwomen" [who are males] as women [who are females] does not erase the sex class that is female.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:14

You yourself are saying that "transwomen" are males - aka men

Point me to where I said that? You're putting words in my mouth.

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:13

All women, yes, but not males. Males are not women. Your grandmother would tell you this. And your mother, and your daughter. And your father.. He knows who gave birth, and it wasn't a male.

DariaWalker · 08/03/2020 01:11

Happy International Women's Day to ALL women!

The illogic of your position betrays you.

You yourself are saying that "transwomen" are males - aka men.

WotchaTalkinBoutWillis · 08/03/2020 01:09

Happy International Women's Day to ALL women!

theflushedzebra · 08/03/2020 01:05

YAY! Happy International Women's Day women!

May every adult human feel loved and valued.

Woman =Adult female. Men cannot be women! Woman is not a feeling a man has! Woman is a biological reality. Woohoo. Biology! Reality!Thy'll never go away, however much you try to browbeat us! Grin

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