What do you think about the rainbow flag?

Be fair now, I'm much too nice to ever give someone a reading "lesion" on purpose.

NotBadConsidering an acquaintance of mine is a trans woman who is attracted to women. She was at Pride and was handed the rape culture flyer.

It left her really upset and shaken that she is perceived by some lesbians as rapey and abusive just for being who she is. Nothing could be further from the truth.

She tried not to let us ruin her day but it did put a dampener on it.

Do you feel any empathy for her?

I’m a bi woman and I love seeing the rainbow flag, especially in places that were traditionally quite homophobic- I’m also a Christian and seeing churches flying rainbow flags really makes me feel warm inside.

Lmao asking someone to clarify who they are referring to when it could be multiple people is a “reading lesion” now is it? Why are you being so deliberately obtuse? It’s really not hard to write a one word answer to clarify.

They were also giving out flyers accusing trans activists of promoting rape culture. It's hardly surprising they got a few boos for that.

Why, because it’s true? Here is a compilation of trans activists promoting the idea that lesbians should just “give in” and “get over” their genital preference and have sex with trans women even if they don’t want to. That’s rape culture.

terfisaslur.com/cotton-ceiling/

I can’t link that autostraddle article advising lesbians how to get over their disgust at a penis and crack on because it’s too awful.

Their flyers were “are you aware that this is what are saying”.

I'm afraid that I really don't have time to give reading comprehension lessons at the moment.

*is not proof

You still haven’t answered my question..

Anecdotal evidence is not is proof.

I’m aware you’re not the same person, that was a reply to @NotBadConsidering where I forgot to tag her.

Based on those who I know I do not agree that it's a tiny number of lesbians at all. But yes, if you're going to scold women here then it's only fair to tell off the TRAs who've made them feel threatened too.

I said nothing about empathy btw, do try to remember that everyone disagreeing with you is not the same person.

They were also giving out flyers accusing trans activists of promoting rape culture. It's hardly surprising they got a few boos for that.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn that’s why I’m asking you, a word with who? Lesbians protesting at Pride of TRA? It’s not clear from your post.

These women who feel under threat are a tiny tiny amount of lesbians, just because a small minority of people feel under threat, does not mean there is evidence that all lesbians are under threat. I can’t see any evidence to justify turning pride into a TRA vs lesbians political rally personally, I don’t attend for that, if you or other women do then go ahead, but don’t start using phrases like “why don’t you have any empathy?” and deny you’re trying to guilt people.

What abuse though? I was there. I saw what happened. The women were met with stony silence and a few boos. I would hardly call that abusive. Especially as they were the ones who barged to the front of the parade without permission.

Suddenly I have this song in my head.

Why should I get involved? Their choice to try and turn a day of celebration into a bunfight. They were goading the TRAs into a reaction and surprise surprise the TRAs reacted

As I’ve said, I don’t think you should get involved but want to understand why you don’t condemn the abuse they got. Your answer is “she made me do it, she brought it on herself”.

Disgusting attitude.

Their choice to try and turn a day of celebration into a bunfight. They were goading the TRAs into a reaction and surprise surprise the TRAs reacted. TRAs are not exactly known for being quiet and retiring

That comes across as incredibly victim-blamey. ‘How dare women openly say that they are same-sex attracted, they deserve everything they get from homophobic misogynistic bullies hiding under ‘trans umbrella’.’

It’s in the name - pride - being proud about being out and visible. But not too out and visible because then you’ll provoke homophobes and that’s your fault? Pfffft.

The lesbians who protested are the evidence that they feel under threat. You and those women both share views that are considered transphobic. They wanted to protest that their view isn’t transphobic, you don’t, fair enough. But why shouldn’t they, just because you don’t find it a problem yourself? And why should they be abused for it?

I'm not trying to guilt anyone into anything, I just don’t understand the lack of empathy. I don’t understand why their choice of how and when they chose to protest is considered more important than the abuse they got for doing so. They’re brave enough to stand up against those who call their sexuality transphobic, you’re not, but you think they should keep their protest to themselves, and any abuse that comes their way is fair enough because Pride should be “inclusive”. What’s inclusive about telling a group of women to shut up? We are not talking about a political statement here. We are talking about the definition of lesbian. If that can’t be clearly stated at Pride, where should it be? If the world sees that Pride believes that lesbian now includes people with penises, and everyone seems happy with that scenario, how are those women meant to protect their sexuality class in the face of such public gaslighting? Where do you think would be a good, nice place to protest?

Oh, I think you know.

I find it hard to understand how someone who says they’re a lesbian can just stand idly by “enjoying themselves” while other lesbians are abused for stating something as straightforward as a definition of their attraction.

Why should I get involved? Their choice to try and turn a day of celebration into a bunfight. They were goading the TRAs into a reaction and surprise surprise the TRAs reacted. TRAs are not exactly known for being quiet and retiring.

Ironically, the lesbian = female homosexual banners are just making a big issue about trans women identifying as lesbians. It's giving it more oxygen and all of a sudden lesbian issues are centering trans women.

Who are you referring to?

Better go have a word with them about that, then!

PS You're wrong. HTH

I would also say the same for radical trans activists if they were attending pride for the purpose of protesting lesbians’ genital preferences are transphobic, it’s not the place imo. However, correct me if I’m wrong, but considering this is apparently a wide spread belief that’s a threat to all lesbians, I’ve never heard of anyone doing that.

@NotBadConsidering I couldn’t care less if it’s considered transphobic, I don’t personally consider biological men who look like biological men and have penises women, (I am against self ID, to make that abundantly clear), which is why as lesbian I wouldn’t date a person like that. If other women want to and still consider themselves lesbians that’s their choice, but I don’t feel the need to attend Pride, an event to celebrate LGBT people and plaster slogans about it on my t shirt is what I’m saying. People thinking genital preferences are transphobic are a tiny minority of trans rights extremists, do you have any proof that this is a wide spread belief and lesbians are under threat? If not, then I stand by my belief that attending an event like Pride to make political statements against trans women and their partners is not something I can personally support. If you want to do that then good for you, but do not try to guilt other lesbians into your anti trans politics.

Haven’t RTFT but Sheldon Cooper would probably enjoy featuring the rainbow flag on his “flagship” programme Fun With Flags, and annoy an awful lot of people as a result.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=LeyofQK6tRw

Pride comes before a fall...

Maybe we could have a rebrand and call it Shame (but only for those witches who don't like cock).