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Help! Where do I start explaining the trans issue to male friend?

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peacelikeariver · 26/02/2020 22:40

Just got into this with male friend who thinks it's nice to be kind and inclusive.
Sure is, but he is apparently clueless about all the trans issues/trampling all over womens right stuff.
Just send me links to scientific journals declaring sex is not binary( largely about intersex conditions).
Where do I start?
How do I explain?
I usually keep my mouth shut but this is a really good friend and I'm a bit shocked.

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lydiamajora · 26/02/2020 23:27

Talking about something important to you with a friend equals "forcing your opinion" on them.

Okay.

MadamePewter · 26/02/2020 23:26

It’s so difficult as it sounds so mad you must be making it up. With my boy and partner I’ve explained that they could just say tomorrow that they are a woman, no change other than that required, and then have access to all woman spaces: jails, changing rooms, toilets, refuges, medical care, and so on. After a bit of no, that can’t be true! they appreciate the point.

TheBlueStocking · 26/02/2020 23:22

You could try not forcing your opinions on other people.

Imnobody4 · 26/02/2020 23:22
Sex is binary video about 10 mins clear explanation
WomanBornNotWorn · 26/02/2020 23:21

He might respond to images rather than stories and stats:

You could send him some of the 'pov if you're a terf' images, the baseball bats wrapped in barbed wire and the men bellowing at women trying to meet to defend their rights.

Then a few Riley Dennis 'feminine penis' videos berating lesbians.

And the selfie by the man exposing himself in a women's refuge.

NewNameGuy · 26/02/2020 23:15

Humans have 2 legs.
Some people don't, but that doesn't change the species.

Same with sex. You're male or female.

Point out self ID issues

Point out the obvious stereotypical sex cliches in trans people

lydiamajora · 26/02/2020 23:05

As far as the intersex thing goes, there is one major difference between DSDs and trans identity: having a disorder of sexual development can be objectively verified. It is a falsifiable claim. Trans identity is entirely subjective and there is absolutely no way to weed out the predators from the genuine.

Send him info on Karen White. Make it very clear that you don't believe KW is actually transgender, but that allowing males to identify into female spaces has devastating consequences for women.

Men are generally going to "get" prisons and sports more than safety/privacy in toilets.

Don't flood him with info. In my experience, people respond better to drip-feeding.

Good luck!