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Women & Girls in Scotland GRA Consultation Guidance

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GRAconsultationGuidance · 26/02/2020 21:21

Link Here

Please have a read 🙏

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Dances · 03/03/2020 21:55

Bumpity bump
And don't forget to publish!

Dances · 03/03/2020 19:04

It is beyond shocking that citing names of actual predators in submissions could mean that that the submission is excluded from the consultation stats.

PLEASE make sure that you publish. Also copy and paste your response to word, open source word processing apps or notepad on your device. You can always send it to Women and Girls in Scotland.

GRAconsultationGuidance · 03/03/2020 18:54

Yes. Still answer exactly how you need to & the challenge against this nonsense will take care of the rest.

No one should have to curb their reasonable & factually accurate words in order to respond to a government consultation.

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Luckystar777 · 02/03/2020 04:18

I mean, crimes like that are my main concern, how can we not be allowed to include that when that's my biggest worry?

Luckystar777 · 02/03/2020 04:09

Are we allowed to voice concern regarding the two girls who were assaulted in Fife by a transwoman? Worries that this could happen again?

GRAconsultationGuidance · 02/03/2020 00:03

Further info on the question of what will/won't be counted in responses. Link

"We have received a troubling clarification from the Scottish Govt re consultation responses it will not publish. The govt is now saying it will not publish responses which mention anyone convicted of a crime by name, or any person's known trans status. We will challenge this. We can still FOI those responses for the purposes of our group's analysis, & the govt has confirmed it will include all responses in its own analysis, however this essentially functions as a decision not to make public responses which present the govt with crucial counter evidence re its claims, for example even mentioning Karen White would mean your response won't be published. The govt did not mention in Chapter 1.11 of its consultation paper that it would consider such references as a data protection issue. Even worse, the govt says it won't publish responses where a trans person 'is identifiable by deduction' from the text, so there's no way around it either. This is entirely unacceptable & unnecessary: Naming those who have been convicted of crimes &/or referring to the publicly known trans status of an individual like Karen White does not breach data protection, & we will challenge this with the govt & raise it with the Info Commissioner. We anticipate this will lead to large numbers of responses not being published, but again, pls still robustly respond to the consultation all responses will be included in the govt's analysis & we will FOI responses the govt doesn't publish if we fail to convince the govt to publish them, & the govt has to publish all FOI responses on its website.

The govt also confirmed the following to us:

The govt will review responses itself to decide which should not be published, but, again, it will include all responses in its analysis.

Re offensive language, the govt says much will depend on the context, but the criteria they will be using is that responses which include 'a swear word', 'advocates violent action against a group in society' &/or 'constitutes a threat against another person or group', will not be published.

The govt will also not publish responses which refer to a named transwoman as being male or male bodied, but will publish responses which refer to transwomen as a class as being male, or male bodied.

The govt confirmed that responses which refer to women as females, rather than as a gender identity, will be published. Pls do not let this prevent you from putting in a response which refers to individuals such as Karen White in order to counter the govt's claims or let it weaken your response at all. Pls just ensure to publish your response, which you can do anonymously, & we can then FOI it."

One final point - if you complete your submission online via the hub - Link Here you can get your response emailed to you, so a copy is saved. But it's important whether you select anonymous or not -PLEASE SELECT TO PUBLISH you response.

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GRAconsultationGuidance · 29/02/2020 13:05

Eh? That's some typo! Bump not nino! Weird autocorrect that one!

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GRAconsultationGuidance · 29/02/2020 13:04

Bumpity Nino

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GRAconsultationGuidance · 28/02/2020 18:00

Any responses that are removed/excluded can be FOI'd so the best way to 'safeguard' your responses is to submit via the online hub which will email a copy of your response to you, as well as saving a note/screenshot of the submission number/reference.

If there's an effort to do what happened with the swimming pools etc in London (women's pond - where I think nearly half of the responses were discounted) then ensuring any responses that aren't published (if you've said yes to your response being published) can still be evidenced at a later date if necessary will help.

Hopefully there won't be an issue.

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dragonlangx · 28/02/2020 17:42

No they don't and that is worrying but if they are published then they can be seen and analysed so Scottish Government can be challenged

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 16:14

Exclude responses that are offensive. And do they define offensive? Is it 'disagreement'?

dragonlangx · 28/02/2020 14:01

It should be accessible and should be promoted to everyone that has an interest but like the first time around the Scottish Government have made it difficult to fill in, will not accept written statements and have said they will exclude responses that are offensive. They have also completely dismissed women's concerns and have not looked for any evidence to back up their own position.

This is why the guidance from Women and Girls in Scotland is so important for questions 4 and 5 because it lays out were the Scottish Government has gone wrong and asks for peoples own experiences to provide the evidence Scottish Government seems unable to find didn't look hard for

This is why it is important for all you lovely lot to complete this and publish the response. This means the evidence will be out in the public domain, even if you publish it anonymously, so Women and Girls in Scotland can commission an independent analysis of the responses

littlbrowndog · 28/02/2020 09:25

Yes exactly scrimshaw.

It should be accessible and so we can understand what it is about

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 09:25

It's not a consultation for just 'people who work in equalities' or academics, or specialists.

It's a consultation for everyone, and it should be accessible.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 28/02/2020 09:24

It might be worth saying that the consultation is daunting and intimidating. If a govt truly wants to survey the general population, they have a responsibility to set out the questions clearly and in terms the general reader can understand.

dragonlangx · 28/02/2020 09:16

Remember the deadline is the 17th of March so please get it done before then

GinnyLane · 28/02/2020 07:50

Thanks for the words of encouragement! I will be tackling it this afternoon, and over the weekend - better to be intimidated by this than the alternative.

NonnyMouse1337 · 28/02/2020 06:36

This is impressively detailed and comprehensive. I'm still reading through the response for question 5.

bettybeans · 28/02/2020 02:07

Also please do submit your own response even if you don’t live in Scotland. Primarily because we need you (TRA are canvassing worldwide for responses in support) but also because what happens here may ultimately have an effect on what happens at Westminster. The results of this consultation may well be used by politicians who support/oppose UK reform, for example.

bettybeans · 28/02/2020 02:04

I’m going to need to take a day off just to get this right. So many excellent sets of guidance notes. I’m in awe of the women who put this stuff together.

GRAconsultationGuidance · 27/02/2020 22:06

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 27/02/2020 13:49

Ginny, if you feel intimidated, there's also a more basic guidance on forwomen.scot.

LGB Alliance, SNP pledge and Murrayblackburnmackenzie.org all have some too!

littlbrowndog · 27/02/2020 10:18

Bumping

dragonlangx · 27/02/2020 09:35

GinnyLane don't be intimidated by it. There is a whole lot of detail there but try and use the headings and use your own experience. if you are finding it too much do it in chunks or do the best you can.
Any response that challenges this nonsense is worthwhile
Please do respond and do publish your response

GinnyLane · 27/02/2020 06:38

Blush I feel horribly intimidated by that... I thought I could just write a little bit about my worries. Eek.

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